The Steele dossier is not from a foreign adversary.

There's many right-wingers in America who wouldn't say Obama is charismatic... but of course he is. It's the same thing, they can't get past the ideological differences.

Also I think Brits really do look down on people who don't talk in an intellectual sort of way. I seem to recall you making fun of the Dallas sheriff for the way he talked, but to Americans it sounded normal.

Also probably right
I am admittedly a bit of a snob and tend to look down on people who are uncultured, unintelligent or lack class.

Just saying - charisma is subjective.

This post was edited by Scaly on Oct 26 2017 09:26am

Yes and no. I would say he was very charismatic in 2008 with his message of "change" which got a lot of people motivated to go out and vote for him, especially blacks. Throughout his presidency he was hardly viewed as charismatic on a global scale. Obama was more of the law professor type of guy rather than some Kennedy or Churchill type.



pot calling the kettle black

i don't know, i hate putin for example - even more than i despise trump - but he is most definitely charismatic. trump, however, is just an unsophisticated, incompetent loudmouth - i get that his brash and (for a politician) unconventional way of communicating, as well as the message itself may have some appeal to certain people, but that doesn't make him charismatic imo. fascinating and weirdly entertaining without a doubt though, can't deny that...

Well to Republicans he's uppity, to neutral observers he's charismatic.



He can't give a speech like Goebbels could, that's for sure.

And it's probably FAKE.

I mean a "former" British agent. I guess there's no amount of money that could "buy" a former British agent. :/



All that aside, if you leave out Trump's personality, I do believe that he is actually doing good things.

1. No one wants WW III, but NK and Iran are serious problems that HAVE to be dealt with. Hopefully w/o war.
2. The US tax system is so far beyond broken, that it too needs to be dealt with.
3. Obamacare is a joke. The US govt. cannot pay subsidies to insurers, with un-appropriated funds. It can't pay any subsidies to insurers w/o causing the govt. to ...go broke.
4. By it's very design, Obamacare will do nothing but get more expensive...forever.
5. Immigration is a serious problem, not because of religion or skin color, but because the US can only support so many people. People need to stop ...breeding, everywhere. This is not just a local problem.
6. The other issue with immigration is that where the Islamic nations are concerned...there needs to be practically infallible...vetting.


In short...I feel that Trump is trying to do what he was hired for. I just wish he had ...a lot ...more polish.



/e



True, I'm sorry to have to say. But NOT incompetent.

This post was edited by Ghot on Oct 26 2017 09:37am

Every person that makes it to the highest office of the land is going to have some sort of charisma. Adjectives like charismatic are subjective because who are you comparing the person to?

Obama will not go down in history as one of the more charismatic leaders of the US.

interesting choice, but sure, whoever you want to compare him to...

i wouldn't restrict it to giving public speeches though, it's about his whole behaviour, the pettiness, the lack of class... bush wasn't a great speaker either and he certainly was a terrible president. he still had charisma though...

This post was edited by fender on Oct 26 2017 09:48am

I vote for policy unlike Democrats