Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 16 2021 12:32am)

If I tried to beat my wife she'd kick my ass. I've seen her down a guy with 130lb on her in a few seconds. We met doing martial arts, but she has many years on me in that regard.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 15 2021 06:39pm)

As a point in fact, this particular discussion is one that you wasted time with TiStuff on. And I just told you exactly what you need to know. If you doubt the CO2 saturation, go buy a tester, and start doing a variety of activities. As for the breathing patterns, that's not even something you should be questioning. Everyone from the WHO to Discovery to NIH has noted this, as well as provided advise on how to reset breathing patterns if you start to feel faint. Regarding the buildup of filth in masks, this is also very well documented.

Honestly, I wasn't aware that people died from wearing masks. I'd never thought that was a concern. Primary concerns have more to do with illness from the mask sludge and faint feeling from CO2 buildup when performing strenuous activity (aka working). And my terms on masks are clear. I'm 100% willing to wear a disposable mask in any business that makes that request, as long as they provide the mask. I will not spend my money to make others feel better. And I suspect your masks are provided to you by your place of employment, so there you go. :)

Nice. Mine would stab me in my sleep.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 15 Aug 2021 16:53)

Every source on mask wearing that I've seen for well over a year now has stated that when you touch a mask you should wash your hands, and you should wash your masks daily or use a new one daily.

There are no reliable sources which say that masks cause even close to a harmful buildup of CO2 in your body, and many that say it doesn't. Again, we've had hundreds of millions if not billions of people wearing masks for over a year now while working, so your idea that masks significantly disrupt breathing patterns for normal people is crap on its face. Outside of a very small subset of people with significant pre-existing respiratory problems masks are safe and unintrusive in even significantly strenuous situations.

Quote (Plaguefear @ 15 Aug 2021 16:42)

Dom is a lot of things but a wife beater is not one of them, he is more of a sweater.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 15 2021 07:06pm)

Yeah, according to the WHO, you should wash your hands before you touch your mask, and after. But who the hell has the time for that shit?

Regarding CO2 buildup, it depends entirely on the physical activity. As I said, get a tester. You will see very notable differences between strenuous activity buildup and standard activity buildup. You will be almost normal mask vs no mask at your desk job. Go move a couple thousand pounds worth of book boxes in 100F heat, and the difference between mask and no mask is severe. Again, this is not something you need a study for, you can test it yourself. Note: I do not recommend that latter task. It nearly floored me, and I'm used to working my ass off in the heat.

Full disclosure: I do have allergy based asthma, which flares up maybe once a year all the way to an attack so mild one puff off an inhaler and it's gone. So I doubt it's relevant to anything mask related.

What does "sweater" mean in this context?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 15 2021 05:06pm)

Yeah, according to the WHO, you should wash your hands before you touch your mask, and after. But who the hell has the time for that shit?

Regarding CO2 buildup, it depends entirely on the physical activity. As I said, get a tester. You will see very notable differences between strenuous activity buildup and standard activity buildup. You will be almost normal mask vs no mask at your desk job. Go move a couple thousand pounds worth of book boxes in 100F heat, and the difference between mask and no mask is severe. Again, this is not something you need a study for, you can test it yourself. Note: I do not recommend that latter task. It nearly floored me, and I'm used to working my ass off in the heat.

Full disclosure: I do have allergy based asthma, which flares up maybe once a year all the way to an attack so mild one puff off an inhaler and it's gone. So I doubt it's relevant to anything mask related.



What does "sweater" mean in this context?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 15 2021 11:45am)

Good. I don't care. The business model for Hospitals means that no hospital stays in business unless it's 60%+ capacity at any given time. That means that literally every flu season, every time a novel virus hits, any time there's a bacterial outbreak, every time there's a natural disaster, hospitals get full. This is and has been the case for longer than you've been alive.

Covid is nothing special in any way in that respect, and Covid is far more mild on the strain it puts on hospitals than any real epidemic. If your issue is hospitals, encourage them to start performing triage. That's what has been done for thousands of years when physicians have more patients than they can handle. Pump those who can't be saved full of painkillers so they'll be comfortable, help the most critically in need who can be saved first, and work your way through the list.

God damn American Progressives are weak pussies. People get sick, injured, and die every fucking day. Through no fault of their own. Hospitals don't exist to prevent death. They exist to preserve life to the best of their ability. Death cannot be prevented. Sickness cannot be prevented. Injury cannot be prevented.

Some 20 year old doesn't want the vaccination, is perfectly healthy, has no comorbidities? Good on them. They happen to be the one in a million who ends up dying of the virus? They made their choice. Hospital could have potentially saved them, but didn't have a bed in time? Oh well, they could have gotten vaccinated.

The hospitals are not liable for people dying of covid. The Pharma companies are not liable for people dying of covid or dying from complications from the vaccines. Literally, all the responsibility falls directly on those who get sick. There's nobody else to turn to, nobody to sue.

If you want to fix hospital issues, it's not by attempting to mandate medical procedures without informed consent. You need to fix hospital costs. And good fucking luck. Progressives just like you have made it so easy to sue hospitals, nurses, and doctors for any imagined issue that there are layers on layers of insurance required, and let's not even get started not just with educational costs, but the limited (by governmental decree) educational program space for nurses, doctors etc. The fact that there are 10x as many people willing to be nurses and doctors in the US who qualify for the programs, yet so many qualified applicants are turned away is kind of a problem, don't you agree? Well, maybe you wouldn't, given you washed out. But the average logical person probably would.

Personal responsibility doesn't mean other people have a responsibility towards you, Thor. Personal responsibility doesn't mean that random people need to look out for private businesses such as hospital, Thor. Personal responsibility means that people need to choose what's best for themselves and deal with the consequences. If the consequence is they end up with a virus, and have to wait so long for a hospital bed that they die? Their choice, their problem. It's not YOUR choice. And you have no right, whatsoever, to take that choice away from them.



Gonna post more sources with graphs that link their source materials to 404's? Grow up, kiddo.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 15 2021 01:53pm)

So if I know I have a deadly disease and sneeze in your face, and you die, I should be totally free of liability?

Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 16 2021 12:42am)

Dom is a lot of things but a wife beater is not one of them, he is more of a sweater.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 15 2021 04:24pm)

Your anecdote is pointless. Masks do 3 primary things:

1. They increase your blood CO2 levels. How much varies depending on how strenuous your activity is. So for you, I imagine it'd be next to none. For me, it can be quite high as I do actual physical work. CO2 testers are quite cheap. You can test this yourself very easily.
2. They alter your pattern of breathing, which can lead to lightheadedness, fatigue, and fainting.
3. They trap moisture, which itself traps particulates from the air, which can include everything from dust to germs. Every time you put on or take off the same mask, you're transmitting whatever's on your hands to the mask, and whatever's on the mask to your hands.

And stop attempting to make yourself feel better for not being able to attract women by indicating issues between my wife and I. It's beneath you. ;)