lol you edited it out. You said in a previous and edited post something to the effect of "why are you staying within 6 feet of people if you are concerned about bodily fluids". Good to see you understood the trap you were putting yourself in.

Doesn't really matter to the point though. If you are knowingly spreading a disease, you can be held accountable. That's personal resonsibility. Regardless, when you allow rampant personal responsibility with no consequences, like being held to account for infecting others or being excluded from things for not taking reasonable means to prevent infecting others (like face masks and vaccinations) then you lose your freedom. That's just how society has always worked for literally all of human history.

I literally just quoted exactly what I said. You have reached the point where you're just saying stupid shit. Go back and reread everything. I've not "edited out" anything, I've only edited for spelling when needed.

And your assertion about "knowingly spreading a disease" does not apply in any way, shape, or form. Knowingly or unknowingly spreading a cold carries no crime and no penalty. Covid spreads exactly like a cold. AKA, you can't even knowingly spread it unless you know you have it, and unless you're being tested daily, you cannot know you have it unless you're symptomatic. But, again, given the CDC has reported that Covid has asymptomatic spread, and those who are vaccinated can still be carriers and spreaders... It appears literally anyone can spread it, at any time, no matter what precautions they take.

So, your very argument is stupid. There is absolutely zero level of "personal responsibility" that will stop the spread beyond isolation. Just like any other cold or flu. It spreads like a cold or flu. It has the dormancy of a cold or flu. It has the symptoms of a cold or flu. And it is not classed as a "deadly disease", the mortality rate is too low and too specific to age and comorbidity. Literally every aspect of your argument is stupid.

The idea that you have to lose your freedoms of bodily autonomy and breathing unrestricted air that you're going to take away someone's freedom is laughable at best. "Give up these freedoms over a respiratory infection, or lose all your freedom!"

Further, your premise violates the Nuremberg Code. Mid to Long term trials on the vaccines are not complete. They're still classed as Experimental Medications. You cannot use them on people without informed consent. Informed consent cannot occur under threat of force.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Aug 15 2021 04:35pm

Being required to wear a mask results in exactly zero loss of freedom and autonomy.

In the case where you can't be sure if you have it you are expected to take reasonable precaution like wearing a mask. (FYI I've never advocated for mandatory vaccination) Same reason why we have speed limits. You don't know you will get into a crash, but you are required to take a reasonble precaution to prevent injury to others. You are not allowed to be reckless in society. This is not contested in any way shape or form and is totally enshrined in the law and the constitution.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Aug 15 2021 04:37pm

Masks impede your ability to breath. It doesn't matter how "little" or "small" or "minor" of an impediment you believe it is. It exists. Further, masks collect bacteria, fungus, pollens, dust, viruses, and all other sorts of fun, gross, and harmful things. Depending on the specific environment, it only takes an hour or two for a mask to become a health hazard and need to be replaced.

And your vehicle analogy is useless. You have control over a vehicle. You have no control over a virus that you have no idea if you even have.

Effectively, you're attempting to treat people as though they themselves are diseases, and promoting habits that are both unhealthy and mostly useless.

All our mask mandates are gone now, btw, in Oregon, since the end of June. There was no sudden spike of hospitalizations or cases for over a month. In the last week we had a small spike, nothing horrid, but enough that Kate Brown deployed some national guard troopers to assist in the hardest hit hospitals. So far, no attempts at any "vaccine passport" type nonsense. Social distancing mandates are gone as well. However, the majority of businesses are still asking people to remain 6 feet apart, though none I've entered require masks.

Overall, from what I've seen, about 30% of people still wear masks. Of those, the majority are wearing disposable surgical masks. Like, they'll put them on before they go into a building, throw it in the trash on their way out. I'm not adverse to that, and honestly, if people would feel better in that kind of environment, then I'd be down to do so as well... As long as I'm not paying for the masks. So like, if you had a store that I went to, and you had individually wrapped masks for customers to take when they came in? Sure!

At any rate, I think for the most part we agree on the vaccine thing. I think we only partially agree on the mask thing. That's more one of those scenarios where if the business wants to require masks, it should be their responsibility to make them available.

I've worn a mask for like 18 months straight over 40 hours a week. Try not being a dishonest in your next response, and stop hitting your wife while you're at it.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Aug 15 2021 05:14pm

Your anecdote is pointless. Masks do 3 primary things:

1. They increase your blood CO2 levels. How much varies depending on how strenuous your activity is. So for you, I imagine it'd be next to none. For me, it can be quite high as I do actual physical work. CO2 testers are quite cheap. You can test this yourself very easily.
2. They alter your pattern of breathing, which can lead to lightheadedness, fatigue, and fainting.
3. They trap moisture, which itself traps particulates from the air, which can include everything from dust to germs. Every time you put on or take off the same mask, you're transmitting whatever's on your hands to the mask, and whatever's on the mask to your hands.

And stop attempting to make yourself feel better for not being able to attract women by indicating issues between my wife and I. It's beneath you.

We literally have hundreds of millions of people wearing masks every single day. I've pressed dozens of posters on this and the best anybody has been able to source for me is two kids in China dieing while wearing masks. Please source your claims that there is any impairment from normal people wearing masks. You can save time, because you've done this already, and I've already pulled from your citation that it has no significant impact. I'm sure you've forgotten, since, ya know, the alcohol, but we've done this dance a half dozen times already.

he’s projecting. it’s not beneath someone who wears 4 masks alone in a car (when it goes against science) to do such despicable actions

If I tried to beat my wife she'd kick my ass. I've seen her down a guy with 130lb on her in a few seconds. We met doing martial arts, but she has many years on me in that regard.

As a point in fact, this particular discussion is one that you wasted time with TiStuff on. And I just told you exactly what you need to know. If you doubt the CO2 saturation, go buy a tester, and start doing a variety of activities. As for the breathing patterns, that's not even something you should be questioning. Everyone from the WHO to Discovery to NIH has noted this, as well as provided advise on how to reset breathing patterns if you start to feel faint. Regarding the buildup of filth in masks, this is also very well documented.

Honestly, I wasn't aware that people died from wearing masks. I'd never thought that was a concern. Primary concerns have more to do with illness from the mask sludge and faint feeling from CO2 buildup when performing strenuous activity (aka working). And my terms on masks are clear. I'm 100% willing to wear a disposable mask in any business that makes that request, as long as they provide the mask. I will not spend my money to make others feel better. And I suspect your masks are provided to you by your place of employment, so there you go.



Nice. Mine would stab me in my sleep.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Aug 15 2021 05:40pm