Quote (cambovenzi @ 15 Aug 2021 19:14)

I oppose nazi policies that would murder you for having a sub-80 IQ.

Quote (thundercock @ Aug 15 2021 11:58am)

Maybe your wife should take some personal responsibility and leave your alcoholic ass before you beat her again. If hospitals are full, then she won't be able to get treatment and you might kill her next time. Of course, this will only happen if you take a picture.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 15 2021 01:45pm)

Personal responsibility doesn't mean other people have a responsibility towards you, Thor. Personal responsibility doesn't mean that random people need to look out for private businesses such as hospital, Thor. Personal responsibility means that people need to choose what's best for themselves and deal with the consequences. If the consequence is they end up with a virus, and have to wait so long for a hospital bed that they die? Their choice, their problem. It's not YOUR choice. And you have no right, whatsoever, to take that choice away from them.

Gonna post more sources with graphs that link their source materials to 404's? Grow up, kiddo.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 15 Aug 2021 11:57)

A German geneticist has said those who turn down the new COVID-19 vaccine should carry a note also refusing intensive care treatment.

https://www.dw.com/en/anti-vaxxers-should-forgo-ventilators-german-doctor-says/a-55996805

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 15 Aug 2021 12:35)

Under your model, I should be able to press charges for anybody who spread it to somebody else. Right? That's personal responsibility. You don't have the right to infect me after all.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 15 Aug 2021 19:46)

The German Healthcare system is a "free" system. As such, they fall under different guidelines than the US healthcare system.

The US Healthcare system is a private system. As such, you are paying for a product or service. It's never a question of what preventative measures a patient takes. Merely a question of what service they pay for. So no, for the US system, the feller is off base. Anyone who can afford to pay, either directly or via insurance, has no obligation whatsoever to vaccinate or give up services. Further, it's against US law to turn anyone down for emergency room services.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 15 Aug 2021 12:51)

For the few i know Hospitalization, ICU, Covid is fully paid by the country in US.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 15 2021 02:46pm)

No, absolutely not.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 15 Aug 2021 13:10)

Then you don't care about personal responsibility or anything near it. You want people to be able to injure others without consequence, which is antithetical to personal resonsibility.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 15 2021 03:46pm)

The German Healthcare system is a "free" system. As such, they fall under different guidelines than the US healthcare system.

The US Healthcare system is a private system. As such, you are paying for a product or service. It's never a question of what preventative measures a patient takes. Merely a question of what service they pay for. So no, for the US system, the feller is off base. Anyone who can afford to pay, either directly or via insurance, has no obligation whatsoever to vaccinate or give up services. Further, it's against US law to turn anyone down for emergency room services.



No, absolutely not. Your own logic is flawed. The CDC has stated that the vaccines will not prevent people from being carriers and spreaders for the virus. Therefore, even if everyone is vaccinated, doesn't mean you won't still get it.

People do not control the spread of a virus. If we did or even could then the Flu wouldn't exist. And Coronaviruses, much like Influenza viruses, shoot off variants so damned fast, it's nearly impossible to prevent them. The current rate of variants for covid is what, 4000/20=200/month/30= ~6.6/day?

The idea that you can sue somebody else because you catch a cold is laughable though, isn't it? You wouldn't have caught that cold if you opted to self-quarantine. YOU CHOSE to put yourself in a scenario where you interacted with other humans. ANY time you interact with other humans, you can contract viruses, bacteria, and fungi as well as spread it, all without intent or knowledge. So the personal responsibility is on YOU to determine if it's worth the risk to you to do so, and to take any preventative measures you can to keep yourself safe in the process. AKA, it's on YOU, not others, to keep yourself safe while in public. :)

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 15 Aug 2021 20:02)

No, or at least, not exactly. Vaccines are free, that part is federally funded. Regarding medical treatment, anyone with insurance is paying it through their insurance, and some of the direct costs can be requested to be reimbursed from the federal or state governments, but no guarantees there. ICU depends entirely on, again, if you have insurance or not and if it's an ER. If it's not an ER, and you don't either have insurance, or you aren't an active patient with an account in good standing, they won't admit you. Insurance companies have methods they can use to apply for at least partial relief for covid payouts, but to put it plainly, insurance companies are hurting badly right now. They've been footing a monster portion of the bill.

I wish I could give you a simpler answer, but the answer is to your understanding is closer to no than yes. ERs can be free, but hospitals and practices with no ERs simply won't admit without insurance or cash up front, nor are they required to.

Edit: The hospitals themselves do have their own method of receiving ADDITIONAL compensation from the government for any patient they treat that tests positive for covid. But that's a completely separate issue, and has zero to do with the patient, nor will it impact the patient's financial liability.

Edit 2: There is some kind of medical financial assistance fund available for patients. Haven't read a bunch on it. It's more reimbursement based. I don't know what the requirements are, but I will say that if they wanted to make a requirement for that be vaccination if it's post... Say July 1st or August 1st, when vaccines are available to all? Good on them. No qualms there.