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A recency time weighted average is pretty important, not sure why you think it's not. It tells us how we are doing now rather than averaging it all together from it's inception. Sound policy needs to be based on things that lets say happened in the last 30 days, 60 days, whatever, maybe weight it for some sort of flu season seasonality and so on, not things that have happened 16 months ago.

It is very clear that this virus impacts kids very minimally, but it's almost purposefully being omitted from mainstream reporting for some reason.


it elites and the sell outs running the scamdemic

the klaus swab book published july 2020 covid 19 the great reset. july the same month all the panic got hyped up and woopie mask mandates

mainstream reporting......................cause they fake news all owned by the same azzholzz

end game is the jab. find out whats in it and find out what happened to the animal trials. less than 3 months till the start of flu season.

they all fired up to stick everyone. when has the .gov gave a crap about anyone ???

you also notice no one will talk about natural immunity its like they dont want that to exist.

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fishy sauce fishy sauce fishy fishy fishy

but it sure as hell been shown how that falsely ramp up them numbers

remember this one ...........now run away
CDC ADMITS 96% OF COVID DEATHS WERE WRONG [JAN 12]
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bbJ7wm1GSheU/
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Quote (ofthevoid @ 11 Aug 2021 00:28)
Probably not, but I certainly would not give them the vaccine, nor would I change anything about their lifestyle, especially if they're a healthy child. Everything in life is a risk. If you are going to pull your kid from school, force him inside to not play with other kids, basically put them in a bubble for a .0001% risk of death from Covid, well then you're not a person of science.


that's not the point here though. the point is that in states where republicans politicised the pandemic, and vaccination rates are low, kids are at a significantly higher risk of catching the virus, debunking the old "well, it's my personal decision and it only affects me" narrative (not that hospitals being at maximum capacity, putting the healthcare system on the brink of collapse again, wasn't enough already). sure, the immediate risk of death or long term consequences SEEMS to be very low for children (although we obviously can't tell for sure at this point), but why take it if it's not necessary?

obviously you're going to downplay it for political reasons, but that doesn't change my point about anti-vaxxers putting everyone around them (including kids, old people, and those who simply can't get the vaccine due to other illnesses) in danger.

#pro life

concerning schools, this is how it looks when you don't want to let the health and safety of your constituents get in the way of your political ambitions:



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Aug 10 2021 05:06pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 10 2021 03:35pm)
A recency time weighted average is pretty important, not sure why you think it's not. It tells us how we are doing now rather than averaging it all together from it's inception. Sound policy needs to be based on things that lets say happened in the last 30 days, 60 days, whatever, maybe weight it for some sort of flu season seasonality and so on, not things that have happened 16 months ago.

It is very clear that this virus impacts kids very minimally, but it's almost purposefully being omitted from mainstream reporting for some reason.


I don't disagree in general, I just don't understand why May/June/July binned data doesn't give you the information you need. The Delta variant has been around for months and we have plenty of studies on how effective certain mitigation efforts are.

As for the media, I agree that the coverage could be better but I don't think you're going to be able to convince profit driven networks to not focus on "the next disaster." Their primary goal is to get you to watch their garbage. Informing the viewer is a "nice to have" from their perspective. If you want to be informed, you have to read.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 10 2021 03:28pm)
Probably not, but I certainly would not give them the vaccine, nor would I change anything about their lifestyle, especially if they're a healthy child. Everything in life is a risk. If you are going to pull your kid from school, force him inside to not play with other kids, basically put them in a bubble for a .0001% risk of death from Covid, well then you're not a person of science.


Why wouldn't you give them the vaccine if the probability of side effects is significantly less than the probability of symptoms from the actual disease? We have chicken pox vaccines now and I don't see a reason why you should let your kid get the pox if you can avoid it. As far as I'm concerned, if a vaccine is proven to be safe, I'd say that it's the recommended course of action. I agree that we shouldn't change much about their lifestyle unless they will be around unhealthy people and could transmit the disease to them.
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Quote (thundercock @ 11 Aug 2021 01:06)
I don't disagree in general, I just don't understand why May/June/July binned data doesn't give you the information you need. The Delta variant has been around for months and we have plenty of studies on how effective certain mitigation efforts are.

As for the media, I agree that the coverage could be better but I don't think you're going to be able to convince profit driven networks to not focus on "the next disaster." Their primary goal is to get you to watch their garbage. Informing the viewer is a "nice to have" from their perspective. If you want to be informed, you have to read.



Why wouldn't you give them the vaccine if the probability of side effects is significantly less than the probability of symptoms from the actual disease? We have chicken pox vaccines now and I don't see a reason why you should let your kid get the pox if you can avoid it. As far as I'm concerned, if a vaccine is proven to be safe, I'd say that it's the recommended course of action. I agree that we shouldn't change much about their lifestyle unless they will be around unhealthy people and could transmit the disease to them.


that was just a silly "argument" to begin with, since the OBVIOUS solution is not to just lock up your kids, but get the adults vaccinated.
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Aug 10 2021 05:25pm
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I don't disagree in general, I just don't understand why May/June/July binned data doesn't give you the information you need. The Delta variant has been around for months and we have plenty of studies on how effective certain mitigation efforts are.

As for the media, I agree that the coverage could be better but I don't think you're going to be able to convince profit driven networks to not focus on "the next disaster." Their primary goal is to get you to watch their garbage. Informing the viewer is a "nice to have" from their perspective. If you want to be informed, you have to read.



Why wouldn't you give them the vaccine if the probability of side effects is significantly less than the probability of symptoms from the actual disease? We have chicken pox vaccines now and I don't see a reason why you should let your kid get the pox if you can avoid it. As far as I'm concerned, if a vaccine is proven to be safe, I'd say that it's the recommended course of action. I agree that we shouldn't change much about their lifestyle unless they will be around unhealthy people and could transmit the disease to them.


Because cold like symptoms are not threatening enough to vaccinate them against it. If the death rate was higher I'd consider it. I honestly would want my healthy kid to catch the rona and develop an immune system response antibodies versus vaccinating them for something like this. I'm of the mind that natural responses with the least amount of interference are ideal. Like if we exclude the kids that had underlying conditions (which is most of those 349) the death rate would be extremely tiny, even smaller than the .001% or so it is now including those kids.

The other thing about vaccines is, they are a fairly recent phenomena. I really don't know what the impact of some vaccines are long term, like over the spans of decades or generations. We can't really know the full extent of vaccines when we've only been doing it for what 100 years? That doesn't mean I'm rejecting vaccines, but i'd like to do with the least amount possible. Like my daughter, she's 1, she got all of her routine vaccines but some of the other ones like flu I personally think she can live without. If the Covid death rate spikes I have no problem with her getting it but for now, nah.
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Quote (fender @ Aug 10 2021 04:18pm)
that was just a silly "argument" to begin with, since the OBVIOUS solution is not to just lock up your kids, but get the adults vaccinated.


its not a vaccine. it is mRNA experimental gene therapy. its a hela of a brainwashing people think its a vaccine.

no thanks i dont want experimental dr fraude a proven fraud or depopulation bill gates KOOK klaus swab near butt naked in his girly dress up get up
experimental experimental experimental experimental

what happened in the animal trials
flu season near 3 months away
wonder why they so hot to jab evry one with the experimental experimental experimental experimental.
its only experimental experimental experimental experimental in humans
they know what happened to the animals
freaky freaky freaky and the lefties running as fast as they can.

experimental experimental experimental experimental ...........................gl
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Aug 10 2021 05:38pm
Quote (thundercock @ 11 Aug 2021 01:06)
I don't disagree in general, I just don't understand why May/June/July binned data doesn't give you the information you need. The Delta variant has been around for months and we have plenty of studies on how effective certain mitigation efforts are.

As for the media, I agree that the coverage could be better but I don't think you're going to be able to convince profit driven networks to not focus on "the next disaster." Their primary goal is to get you to watch their garbage. Informing the viewer is a "nice to have" from their perspective. If you want to be informed, you have to read.



Why wouldn't you give them the vaccine if the probability of side effects is significantly less than the probability of symptoms from the actual disease? We have chicken pox vaccines now and I don't see a reason why you should let your kid get the pox if you can avoid it. As far as I'm concerned, if a vaccine is proven to be safe, I'd say that it's the recommended course of action. I agree that we shouldn't change much about their lifestyle unless they will be around unhealthy people and could transmit the disease to them.


That's the entire point: for young children and adolescents, the risk from covid is so incredibly small that it is of roughly the same magnitude as the also incredibly small risk of severe side effects from the vaccines (e.g. myocarditis). Hence, for children, it is not a given anymore that the benefits outweigh the risk. To the best of my knowledge, neither the WHO nor the British or German health authorities have issued an unconditional recommendation for vaccinations of kids younger than 16 for this very reason. France and Israel have such a recommendation. Not sure about the U.S.


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that was just a silly "argument" to begin with, since the OBVIOUS solution is not to just lock up your kids, but get the adults vaccinated.


Since the vaccines do not provide sterilizing immunity and are too weak to reach proper herd immunity (even with a hypothetical 100% vaccination rate among the entire population), even getting the adults vaccinated will not stop the virus from spreading around on a comparatively low level which represents what experts call "endemic equilibrium". Even in this scenario, almost all kids would eventually catch covid.

The real reason kids were locked up was the concern that they would spread it to the adults, and that keeping schools etc. open would require more adults to be out and about. Kids do not need to be protected from the virus, and the public health measures affecting them never were about their protection to begin with.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ 11 Aug 2021 01:25)
Because cold like symptoms are not threatening enough to vaccinate them against it. If the death rate was higher I'd consider it. I honestly would want my healthy kid to catch the rona and develop an immune system response antibodies versus vaccinating them for something like this. I'm of the mind that natural responses with the least amount of interference are ideal. Like if we exclude the kids that had underlying conditions (which is most of those 349) the death rate would be extremely tiny, even smaller than the .001% or so it is now including those kids.

The other thing about vaccines is, they are a fairly recent phenomena. I really don't know what the impact of some vaccines are long term, like over the spans of decades or generations. We can't really know the full extent of vaccines when we've only been doing it for what 100 years? That doesn't mean I'm rejecting vaccines, but i'd like to do with the least amount possible. Like my daughter, she's 1, she got all of her routine vaccines but some of the other ones like flu I personally think she can live without. If the Covid death rate spikes I have no problem with her getting it but for now, nah.


let's be honest here: if those other vaccines were a big political issue like covid, you wouldn't get those either. it's not genuine concern about the long term effects or any kind of principled stance on the matter, carefully weighing the massive upsides against the negligible downsides... like for 99% of covid karens and science-deniers, the main reason is partisan allegiance.

now go ahead, clutch your pearls real tight, and pretend it's not true - but don't assume that people are stupid enough not to see right through those flimsy excuses...
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 11 Aug 2021 01:38)
That's the entire point: for young children and adolescents, the risk from covid is so incredibly small that it is of roughly the same magnitude as the also incredibly small risk of severe side effects from the vaccines (e.g. myocarditis). Hence, for children, it is not a given anymore that the benefits outweigh the risk. To the best of my knowledge, neither the WHO nor the British or German health authorities have issued an unconditional recommendation for vaccinations of kids younger than 16 for this very reason. France and Israel have such a recommendation. Not sure about the U.S.




Since the vaccines do not provide sterilizing immunity and are too weak to reach proper herd immunity (even with a hypothetical 100% vaccination rate among the entire population), even getting the adults vaccinated will not stop the virus from spreading around on a comparatively low level which represents what experts call "endemic equilibrium". Even in this scenario, almost all kids would eventually catch covid.

The real reason kids were locked up was the concern that they would spread it to the adults, and that keeping schools etc. open would require more adults to be out and about. Kids do not need to be protected from the virus, and the public health measures affecting them never were about their protection to begin with.


citation needed



did you whoosh literally everything in my post? the "locking up of children" was not a reply to early covid measures trying to contain uncontrolled spread, but to void's suggestion that restricting kids' social interaction would be an overreaction - i was merely pointing out that was never the suggestion, especially since we have a much better, easier, and sensible way of protecting them...
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