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Apr 15 2022 08:14pm
Quote (Santara @ Apr 15 2022 07:46pm)
https://twitter.com/kiranjoshi235/status/1514481957962657794

"Bayraktar TB-2s were used to distract the target ship"

Those Bayraktars Ukraine no longer has were involved in drawing the crew's attention, apparently.


These ships can track dozens of targets simultaneously. This shit is stupid as fuck
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Apr 15 2022 08:16pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 15 2022 04:48pm)
Fail. Russia has other Black Sea Fleet ships in the zone that rescued their people, the idea that Turkey would need to step in is ridiculous.

Also, I believe Turkey itself already denied this and called it out as fake news.

Which means the usual gullible suspects fall for the lies once again. Why am I not surprised?


Uh...if a ship is in trouble, you want the CLOSEST ship to come help you. There are no adversaries in the Black Sea there's no risk in having the closest cargo ship or military vessel come help you. It really depends on how severe the damage was but it must have been really severe if the ship eventually sunk.

This is a lesson for everyone. Don't get so piss drunk that you decide to smoke drugs by weapons and fuel. You might cause an accident! I really hope all Russian survivors have mandatory D.A.R.E. and/or AA courses so this type of accident never happens again.
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Apr 15 2022 08:20pm
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Uh...if a ship is in trouble, you want the CLOSEST ship to come help you. There are no adversaries in the Black Sea there's no risk in having the closest cargo ship or military vessel come help you. It really depends on how severe the damage was but it must have been really severe if the ship eventually sunk.

This is a lesson for everyone. Don't get so piss drunk that you decide to smoke drugs by weapons and fuel. You might cause an accident! I really hope all Russian survivors have mandatory D.A.R.E. and/or AA courses so this type of accident never happens again.


Smoking cigarettes is dangerous, what can I say.
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Apr 15 2022 08:26pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 15 2022 09:14pm)
These ships can track dozens of targets simultaneously. This shit is stupid as fuck


Of course they can. What the CREW focuses on however is something else. Like if the drone paints the ship with targeting radar or lasers, that's really going to get the attention of the watch standers. I estimate roughly 6 minutes' flight time for the Neptune missiles, roughly half of which could easily have been below-the-horizon and difficult to detect. So, could the drone keep their attention for 3 minutes? Probably. Especially at 1 in the morning.

/e

I've also seen a report that the drone damaged the ship's radar, so its defenses may have been down when the missiles arrived.

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Apr 15 2022 08:29pm
Quote (thundercock @ Apr 15 2022 10:12pm)
Source is mainly from Turkish and Lithuanian sources. I think someone posted one later on in the thread.

You're probably right that it was a bit much. There were probably some sailors on that ship that are just trying to keep their head down, haven't harmed any Ukrainians, might not even support the war, etc. For the lives lost in that category, I feel bad for their families. While I know that the average Russian isn't disgraceful enough to condone the war crimes that are happening, it's becoming increasingly frustrating to see their indifference. I understand WHY so many Russians feel the way they do but at some point you have to draw a line. Since WW2 analogies are so popular, I'd like to draw a parallel with the average German. At some point, keeping your head down, supporting the war, etc. makes you complicit. There are varying levels of being complicit of course and the consequences should be proportional.


There's a difference between wanting your enemy dead and being less than human. Idk I think people deserve dignity in their death, even your enemies. It doesn't matter what the German did, killing him then going back to his family to be disgusting purely out of cruelty is pretty despicable. At that point you're no better than he was.
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Apr 15 2022 08:43pm
One scenario imagines that the russian military was incompetent and experienced an all-too-common-at-wartime ship explosion. The other figures that the Ukrainian military held onto their cruise missiles for weeks and somehow deployed the expansive and very vulnerable system needed to launch and guide the missile- and had people trained to use it- scoring multiple direct hits despite the rather low reliability. There's no real evidence either way right now, but I always favor incompetence. Friendly fire and ships blowing up their own magazines are not uncommon, whereas that kind of technical long reach out of ukraine hasn't even been verifiably attempted yet.
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Apr 15 2022 08:50pm
"The ship has successfully recovered of the special accidental fire and the whole crew is in a safe place. Moskva is now in Vladivostok port for short repairs"
-the russian government
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Apr 15 2022 08:59pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 15 2022 10:29pm)
There's a difference between wanting your enemy dead and being less than human. Idk I think people deserve dignity in their death, even your enemies. It doesn't matter what the German did, killing him then going back to his family to be disgusting purely out of cruelty is pretty despicable. At that point you're no better than he was.


They could stop acting like orcs in their neighbor's country.
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Apr 15 2022 09:06pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 15 2022 10:50pm)
"The ship has successfully recovered of the special accidental fire and the whole crew is in a safe place. Moskva is now in Vladivostok port for short repairs"
-the russian government


Edit: I realized there's no point beating a dead horse.

Have a good weekend and gl

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Nvm

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