It is the job of the government not to take any action until somebody is proven guilty in court. That doesn't mean the public doesn't get to make up their mind, judge you, refuse association with you, write nasty things about you, etc. etc.

This is just you being too simple to recognize nuance again.

Yes he was going to crush all whitey’s as they walked by with his superb barrel roll skills. Everyone should thank the oppressor for his knee choke. Saved many innocent whites. It was such a struggle Chavin talked to his partners, people on the streets and even lifted his hand to speak over the walkie talkie. Phew for his amazing strength to save us all.
Well except for the black man

too soon

transitioned him to his side with a leg raised once he had 2 officers assisting.

if he was worried he could have moved the cuffs to behind Floyd's neck placing one hand of Floyd's near his cheeck and the other bent near the top of his head so Floyd's bicep was under his head.

you know, like the manual ive posted maybe 10 times now shows.

this places the knee on the side, rather than the rear of floyd's neck, leaves his chest open to breathe increasing chance he calms, and the bent knee prevents him from rolling forward, with Chauvin's knee preventing him from rolling backwards. assisting officer with 2 hands on top of Floyd's bent knee.

the maximal restraint technique is for a perp actively trying to escape, its NOT for a squirming perp. those two are different. and even a violent attack on an officer doesnt write a blank check of time for an officer to use an aggressive hold.

You have provided no nuance. You've aped every onlooker at every witch burning ever. You aren't interested in facts, proof, or judgement. You're just a violent observer, itching for blood.

If public executions ever come back into style, I somehow suspect you'll wait days for the privilege of standing in the front row to watch.



The simplest argument for maximum restraint in this case would be Floyd smashing his head against the safety glass in the cruiser.

At that point, they could have judged him a greater danger to himself than anyone else, and the knee to the side of the neck as used in the restraint training holds dual purpose: To keep the head sideways against the ground and to prevent the suspect from moving the head, including but not limited to smashing it into the ground.

Not saying the defense will make this argument, or that it's even a particularly good argument, merely that it is a viable argument. Still doesn't address the time spent restraining an unconscious suspect, but that's another matter.

i have zero issue with him being removed from the car, placed on the cement, and having the maximal restraint technique used immediately after he bashed his head in the car. once 3 officers have him in hand tho, and he's not actively trying to roll over or stand up, then it was a bad idea to keep him there. if the chief testifies that the other officers asked to roll Floyd to his side imo Chauvin's fucked, and given that he should be fucked.

my wife has to do hours of training each year on holds she can and cannot do with children, including situational context exercises for real time decision making. its like a full day 2x per school year. quite simply police do not have enough at work off duty training like this. i did ride alongs and asked for my local PD. they laughed and said they spend 10x more time at the range plinking on the taxpayers dime than doing training. and most of the training are unenthusiastic powerpoints the shift CO runs through before assignments.

So I point out that innocent until proven guilty only applies to the government punishing people, and you think I'm advocating for public hangings. Quite the leap. Are you drinking again? I gotta say that would explain a lot about your posting style, how you're often fine to have a conversation then start lashing out. Sober vs Drunk.

As a point of legal inquiry: Thomas Lane's lawyer submitted a court filing requesting his charges be dropped, submitting the transcript of the interaction where Lane specifically asked a couple times to put the suspect in the recovery position, specifically citing Excited Delirium. Can that Transcript (from the body cam, which has been admitted as evidence) not be used in lieu of the Chief's testimony?

The manual didn't mention excited delirium. A recovery position also simply describes the positioning of the neck as an EMT, with the head arched back to open the airway. While prone, the neck is always arched back.

i had thought the other officers werent testifying, although i didnt know why, and didnt realize that was on cam. honestly im not sure what is all entered as evidence, ive been catching up once court adjourns.



it does mention sudden cardiac arrest, which is a risk from excited delirium. and its very possible chauvin and the other officers thought he was in a drug induced case of ED, and therefore at risk of cardiac arrest.





This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 2 2021 02:14pm