micro elements of neo-nazism in Ukraine when theres a ruskie fascist elephant standing in front of him. Nothing more than a PR stunt. Several neo-nazies in Azov, no proof no analysis of what the money was actually spent on and distributed "training so called Neo Nazis" and even if Canada did train Azov which they deny, and most likely isn't true as Azov was stationed in the east since 2014 while Canadian military was training soldiers in far western region, there needs to be proof beyond reasonable doubt that Canadian military trained said nationalist azov members, you cannot ask someone to prove what they didn't do its not how law or any court works.

I mean the anecdotal evidence and authoritative sources documenting it are all piles of evidence, but I still maintain that its just a matter of logic and deduction. What we can infer from the facts like Ukraine not disavowing its Nazis, their overwhelming representation in pro-Ukrainian propaganda and social media war feeds, the existence of elected officials who are overt Nazis, their formal status as a military organization, the fact the US is arming them. In any rational world where the west is propping up a resistance and there's just 'a few bad apples' who happen to be Nazis, we'd sweep them under the rug and write them off. We wouldn't give them fawning press coverage and rewrite the rules on major websites to allow pro-Nazi posts that were universally banworthy until we magically aligned with Nazis overnight. If I click on grass roots war footage and dig up twitter/reddit/facebook accounts from the war, I wouldn't be instantly bombarded with Nazi symbology featured prominently by folks with SS tattoos.

I mean, really now;

+ This guy constantly uses double standards
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/senators-accused-of-being-anti-israel-lcx0m9wf5
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-nazi-hunter-blasts-visiting-ukraine-leader-for-ignoring-holocaust-complicity/

He likens those who are anti-zionist to automatically be nazis and fascists.
Look at what zionism is, its a nationalist right-wing israeli movement thus it has all elements to be branded a nazi movement itself. But of course very same zionists who don't mind Palestine being bombed, will pull out "holocaust" curtain and hide behind it, and argue about divine connection, god chosen people and 2000 year old historical injustices. Lementing about Ukrainian Government not highlighting death of Jews during Holodomor, at the very same time never mentioning Slavs, Gypsies and others who perished in the concentration camps along with Jews at far greater ratios than Jews to Ukrainians ratio during the Holodomor.




This post was edited by Lvivz on Apr 15 2022 07:27am

Name the elected officials who are said overt Nazis, pulling facts out of your ass tbh here.
Id love to see the list.

This post was edited by Lvivz on Apr 15 2022 07:28am

And to keep hammering this point:

Are there any Ukrainian islamic terrorist groups in their armed forces? Any regressive wahabbi fundamentalists, like we had in Syria? I haven't seen any Ukrainian officials give an interview with a framed portrait of Osama Bin Laden behind them on the wall. We don't get videos of Ukrainian soldiers shouting "allahu akbhar" while beheading infidels. Why not? Surely the country has muslims, about 2.5% of them, more than the US. In Yemen, the Shia Houthis fight under a flag that reads a very blunt and literal "God is great, death to america, death to israel, curse upon the jews, victory to islam". I've seen countless pictures of Ukrainians with black sun symbols, swastikas and wolfsangels, well represented on the Azov Battalion's flag. I haven't seen any islamists, save among invading Chechens. Because islamists are at most a tiny fringe or non-existent. There aren't any radical zionist terrorists fighting among the Ukrainians either, nor communist revolutionaries as far as I'm aware. I don't see videos of screaming sheiks in ukrainian war feeds. One group exists, another does not. I saw plenty of those signs in the Syrian war. Our moderate democratic allies like Al Qaeda. And I tell you 'hwat, I didn't see any Nazis in Syria.

You still havent provided any elected nazi officials in Ukraine, has any elected official given an interview with a portrait of Hitler framed up? There are plenty of Islam followers fighting on both sides here Turks, Azerbaijdanis, Syrians, Chechens Dagestanis. There are Jewish rabbis fighting in Ukrainian army. Only thing you are hammering is proof that you are not aware of situation as it is on the ground at all, and are not informed whatsoever.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/jewish-fighters-ukraine-lars-berg

This post was edited by Lvivz on Apr 15 2022 07:50am

Imagine gaslighting people like this, as if you didn't have agency. You sound like an abusive husband, telling his wife that "you made me do this" as he's beating her.

FOH

I think at this point it's fear mongering, but as the west continues to arm Ukraine with billions of dollars worth of hardware, what are the chances the Russians actually start deploying small scale tactical nukes? I mean most of us didn't think they would invade as that was an escalation, if this drags on for months, I would think such weapons could possibly be in play?

Nazis in 1930s-1940s wanted to take over the world and killed millions of jews, that and not strictly their ideology was what made them the bad guys.

Russians in today aren't THE bad guys, but they're bad guys. and they invaded a sovereign nation to put a cherry on top.

when those same ukranian nazi officials start to preheat the ovens we can talk, until then maybe u can say why liberal-esque labeling theory has worked so well on you.



imo if they do we still dont respond in kind, we just go full on embargo and maybe even china/india get on board. scary stuff tho.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 15 2022 08:08am

It's sow smooth-brain. You sew clothes, you sow a field.