Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 5 2021 05:03pm)

Even the symptomatic breakthrough infections are mild in the overwhelming majority of cases. The vaccines are doing what they're supposed to do, prevent hospitalization and death.
What they're not doing to the degree some public health experts were hoping for is curb the level of community transmission.



At the end of the day, there currently is a huge disagreement about strategy and end goal in the fight against covid which is lingering in the background. One camp, to which the CDC and most "covid hawks" belong, essentially argues that infection numbers must be kept down as an end in itself. The other camp says that government-mandated restrictions cannot be justified anymore now that an efficient tool to protect oneself is available in the form of the vaccines and everyone had the chance to get them.

Basically, the CDC's communication over the past week is an attempt to steer this debate in their preferred direction before the wider public even realizes what the debate actually is about.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Aug 5 2021 03:47pm)

the vaccines are doing what they are supposed to do....for experts maybe

however politicians and media sold the vaccine as the cure to eradicate covid like smallpox

and that is clearly NEVER gonna happen even with 100% vaccination rate and twelve shots each

its imo pretty clear that people were lied to and having in mind what i stated above the battle "vaxxed vs unvaxxed" does not even make sense

the argument only makes sense if the covid vaccines were as effective as others we know

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 6 Aug 2021 00:47)

the vaccines are doing what they are supposed to do....for experts maybe

however politicians and media sold the vaccine as the cure to eradicate covid like smallpox

and that is clearly NEVER gonna happen even with 100% vaccination rate and twelve shots each

its imo pretty clear that people were lied to and having in mind what i stated above the battle "vaxxed vs unvaxxed" does not even make sense

the argument only makes sense if the covid vaccines were as effective as others we know

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Aug 6 2021 12:40pm)

More like variants are appearing and spreading because of unvaccinated people, vaccinated who are getting sick developp much less symptoms and are less contagious. Cost less in hospital care too.
These vaccinated people also tends to test more often for positivity, i am almost sure of that. Others are in simple denial. Or "too chad for that"...

End of story, and this is the speech validated by almost all politicians IMO: the blame is on unvaccinated.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 6 2021 12:31pm)

Yup, and that's why a fundamental strategic decision about the future course of the fight against covid has to be made soon. That's the strategic disagreement I was talking about. Politicians had hoped that the vaccines would also keep cases down so that they could continue the path back to normal without having to go back on their previous messaging about how each infection is one too many and must be prevented, even at great social and economic cost.

The lower-than-expected degree of sterilizing immunity provided by the vaccines means that we cannot have both things at once, low case numbers and low restrictions, at least not during the coming winter. Therefore, we as a society have to make a choice between keeping cases down with increased levels of NPI, which effectively means new (partial) lockdowns, or letting cases soar and rely on the vaccinations to protect the healthcare system and the risk groups.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 6 Aug 2021 11:21)

false, vaccines trigger evasion mechanisms as the nobel prize winner who discovered HIV explained a while ago

that shit mutates no matter what you do, deal with it covid karen



"we" as a society dont make any choices unfortunately, the covid karens make them and they will enter another round of lockdowns, no matter how useless they are, and if its just to protect their narrative

florida, texas, uk, sweden clearly lead the way to how its supposed to be