from reading his posts he seems to think in this situation Chauvin's duty was to protect the public, from a guy on his tummy with 3 people on top of him. bit baffling tbh. there comes a clear time in any violent engagement with officers where self and public safety gives way to the safety of the detained. it differs of course, sometimes its 10 seconds sometimes its 2 hours. Chauvin seems to have had a faulty switch, and missed the shift by literal minutes. made worse by the screaming reminders to shift from both bystanders and his fellow officers. "had a bad day" at best, unfixably desensitized in center, maliciously unhinged at worst, criminal in any case.

100% set up to be a walk at appeal imo. then suit of MPD by chauvin for lack of support and wrongful dismissal. that he'll prob win.



burning streets are burning streets. the distinction is moot. chauvin walks streets burn, oj went down streets burned.

the wake of the rodney king beatings are so crazy similar to the 2015-2021 racial riots across the country. if anything the bar is crazy lower. King got fucked up hard, like brutal to even watch.

Third Degree Murder and criminally negligent manslaughter are different. One is a "murder without intent but a deranged mind" charge, the other is a form of involuntary manslaughter where not only was there no intent, but there was no specific action designed to take life, just reckless action that aided in a life lost. Drunk driving usually falls under that category if the result is a fatality. Max sentence for the manslaughter charge is up to 10 years, Third Degree Murder, in Minn, is up to 25 year maximum sentence. And the second degree murder charge, which ALSO lacks an "intent" clause, has a maximum sentence of 40 years. 40 years IS the maximum Chauvin would serve based on a guilty verdict, even if they find him guilty on all three counts. Only the sentence from the most severe finding "sticks" though all three would be reflected on his criminal record.



If an officer feels threatened or at risk from a suspect, they are perfectly within their right to continue to legally restrain the suspect. The fact that the suspect is in a state of Excited Delirium has no impact. As a point in fact, given the evidence that Floyd had smashed his head against the safety glass in the cruiser, keeping him in a position where he would not be able to slam his head on the concrete until medics arrived could be easily perceived as protecting the physical safety of Floyd.

BTW, Supreme Court ruled on Duty of Care, and that ruling was that unless the officer specifically caused the injury at question, they are not legally liable for the injury. This is likely to be noted, due to lack of injury to throat or compression to lungs. The primary injury here appears to be self-ingested lethal doses of drugs.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 2 2021 11:41am

King survived. Floyd got it way worse, with live witnesses.

Become a fucking cop in MN then. Lets see how long you last with an actual situation.

Not convinced the streets won't burn either way.

What are your thoughts regarding the other three officers? As far as I know, all 4 are facing charges. Assuming Chauvin gets minimum Murder 2 or Murder 3, does that make a Manslaughter 2 a walk in the park for the other three officers?

Did you watch the full video or the deceptively edited one?

yes and no for me. king got FUCKED UP, maliciously and by a pack of cops. Floyd got killed, but it was mainly the actions of 1 guy at fault and imo not as malicious as negligent.



imo all 3 other officers should walk



seen em all.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 2 2021 11:51am

Why? They were involved. And if your assertions that the recovery position may have saved him are correct, and the other officers did not insist on the shift, couldn't it be argued quite easily that their negligence in insisting Chauvin perform his duty helped lead to the death?

I'm not saying they shouldn't walk, or should walk. Merely curious as to your reasoning.

they did tho. that's strong evidence for why Chauvin was so negligent, rather than ignorant.