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May 19 2020 04:57pm
Quote (fender @ May 19 2020 01:05pm)
yeah, only that no democrat actually accused him of that, only that he refused any cooperation or proper investigation into the accusations of a credible witness while on the other hand claiming he'd love to clear his name, only that he had an established history of lying to the senate and did it again in those hearings, only that he has indeed shown a lack of emotional self-control and temperament concerning perfectly REASONABLE and JUSTIFIED questions, to warrant a lifetime nomination to the country's highest court.

you can put a shitty and simplistic spin on it, but that won't make the FACTS disappear, you lazy hack.


Ford was contradicted by sworn witnesses, including her lifelong friend. Not contradicted as in "I didn't see anything happen", but as in "I have never been at a party where Kavanaugh and Ford were simultaneously present."

Her story changed repeatedly, she had zero recollection of where it supposedly took place, how she got there, or how she got home. Her original therapist's notes do not identify Kavanaugh as the alleged assailant.

Please try to keep the usual drivel under control and answer the question. Under what definition is her allegation credible? Because you heard it on CNN? Because she cried?
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May 19 2020 05:28pm
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I just don't understand this mentality and it seems like you've drank the Bernie Kool-Aid. For you to come to some of these conclusions indicates that you haven't done some very basic research which is why Thor called you lazy. The way you talk about Biden indicates that you're informed by 30 second YouTube clips as opposed to actual journalists. What is your response to the 60+ women who worked with Biden and were interviewed? What is your response to being no pattern of sexual assault in his entire career? What is your response to the numerous holes in Reade's story? If you have good reason to believe her, that's fine and I can respect it. However, it seems suspiciously lazy.

What is your response to AOC being on Biden's climate change policy? What is your response his policy plans that he's outlined on his website? You see, Biden is doing A LOT to earn the progressive vote. I just get the feeling that it's all falling on deaf ears. It's okay though, he doesn't need your vote and you can get that awesome feeling that comes with throwing your vote away because you don't live in a swing state. I actually think it's a mistake to bring on moronic demagogues like AOC into his campaign but that's up to him.

A progressive wouldn't say things like "oh, I'll make a lot of $ under a GOP administration" and then say "oh well the poor will get screwed anyway."


Why does everything have to do with Sanders? I voted for Yang in the primary. Is it lazy to consider all the above that I mentioned about the Democratic party over the past 8 years? Or is it lazier to hand the party a vote time and time again simply because Republicans suck?

Like I mentioned above, I spent hours researching my local candidates for county treasurer, judges, clerk etc before submitting an absentee ballot. I do not consider myself a lazy voter. But if you do simply because I do not share your view of a candidate or a party, so be it. I realize Presidential politics are different than local ones.

I've followed the Tara Reade accusation timeline. I don't think her giving more details about the event this year compared to what she did with AP in 2019 is her "changing her story." Rather, I think she disclosed more information at this time, which is pretty common for messy situations like sexual assault.

I don't think Biden needs a pattern of sexual assault in his career to have sexually assaulted Reade. It certainly decreases the chances. The recent pieces coming out of media sites have felt like hit pieces on Reade, desperate for anything to tarnish her credibility, which is ironic coming a liberal culture of "believe all women" that was just present recently with Kavanaugh. A lot of this seems political to me.

To be clear, I am acknowledging the uncertainty of the accusation by Reade and the entire situation in general. I'm inclined to believe her based on her initial account made last year and the corroboration by her family member later with Larry King Live, but I do realize we can never know for sure what happened. I simply don't like Biden's handling and dismissal of the scandal as "don't vote for me" rather than engaging in a dialogue about it. Perhaps he is tired of answering questions about it, which is understandable.

As far as Biden's policies and who he is collaborating with, I think it's fine. You asked about AOC. That collaboration doesn't mean much to me, but this is politics and it's clearly an attempt to reach out to the further left wing of the base, which I think Biden is doing a better job of than Clinton did. In that sense, I appreciate he is trying and I do like that he brings people to the table. When I read Biden's campaign page about his policies, they actually look better to me than Sanders' proposals, for instance. He's not an "ideas" candidate, but his proposals do look nice on paper.

As for your last comment, maybe I'm not a progressive. I actually consider myself a ruthless pragmatist, which is why I actually support a lot of liberal ideas. I'm about the bottom line and a more efficient allocation of resources and of governance. My biggest draw to Biden is simply a SCOTUS vote. That's the reason I voted for Clinton.

My comment about "fine, I'll take more money" was a dramatic one in response to your accusations of laziness and my generation. I'm just kinda fed up with the country, and like I specifically mentioned, it's not a healthy justification, but I won't refuse more money if Trump wants to give another tax break. I won't advocate for it, and in fact will advocate against it, but I won't be sending the extra dough back to the IRS, either.
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May 19 2020 06:00pm
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Ford was contradicted by sworn witnesses, including her lifelong friend. Not contradicted as in "I didn't see anything happen", but as in "I have never been at a party where Kavanaugh and Ford were simultaneously present."

Her story changed repeatedly, she had zero recollection of where it supposedly took place, how she got there, or how she got home. Her original therapist's notes do not identify Kavanaugh as the alleged assailant.

Please try to keep the usual drivel under control and answer the question. Under what definition is her allegation credible? Because you heard it on CNN? Because she cried?


yeah then Ford, when asked why her friend did not go along with Ford’s testimony, called her ‘friend’ a person who was “sick” and “had challenges”

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/09/27/that-was-insane-christine-blasey-ford-just-threw-friend-leland-keyser-under-the-bus-and-called-her-a-liar/
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Quote (thesnipa @ 19 May 2020 12:53)
"Biden = rapists" memes are poisoning the well for Bernie voters. not surprising for a group so ill-informed generally. any group of people not just willing, but wanting, to vote in a 4-8 year lame duck is doomed from the jump. they think of candidates like a fedora, it just needs to make a statement.


I am very ill-informed Bernie Bro. I put a Bernie sticker on my hybrid car as a fashion statement, and I like being cucked.
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May 22 2020 12:33pm
Good to see that when I'm gone, nobody actually posts relevant information.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/tara-reade-lawyer/index.html

Tara Reade's a fraud. If you didn't already know that, now it's kind of obvious.
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May 22 2020 12:38pm
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Good to see that when I'm gone, nobody actually posts relevant information.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/tara-reade-lawyer/index.html

Tara Reade's a fraud. If you didn't already know that, now it's kind of obvious.


So she misrepresented her educational background. I don't see how that has anything to do with the merits of the claims against Biden.

and it seems to be an example of what her lawyers were quoted as saying in the article

""Our decision, made on May 20, is by no means a reflection on whether then-Senator Biden sexually assaulted Ms. Reade," Wigdor said in a statement. "We also believe that to a large extent Ms. Reade has been subjected to a double standard in terms of the media coverage she has received. Much of what has been written about Ms. Reade is not probative of whether then-Senator Biden sexually assaulted her, but rather is intended to victim-shame and attack her credibility on unrelated and irrelevant matters.""
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May 22 2020 12:43pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 22 2020 02:38pm)
So she misrepresented her educational background. I don't see how that has anything to do with the merits of the claims against Biden.

and it seems to be an example of what her lawyers were quoted as saying in the article

""Our decision, made on May 20, is by no means a reflection on whether then-Senator Biden sexually assaulted Ms. Reade," Wigdor said in a statement. "We also believe that to a large extent Ms. Reade has been subjected to a double standard in terms of the media coverage she has received. Much of what has been written about Ms. Reade is not probative of whether then-Senator Biden sexually assaulted her, but rather is intended to victim-shame and attack her credibility on unrelated and irrelevant matters.""


Lying about your credentials, and then making up another lie to cover for that lie(she pretended that she took on a different name to graduate), obviously says something about your credibility. This is on top of all the other lies she has told, and all the other credibility issues.

Credibility issues are related to her accusations. They don't entirely disprove them, to be sure. People of bad character who have a habit of lying can be sexually assaulted. But these lies are relevant, and should be part of the formula to determine whether she's making a credible accusation.

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May 22 2020 12:52pm
Quote (IceMage @ 22 May 2020 14:33)
Good to see that when I'm gone, nobody actually posts relevant information.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/tara-reade-lawyer/index.html

Tara Reade's a fraud. If you didn't already know that, now it's kind of obvious.


This is what you’re going with? Biden (D) misrepresented his education too and had to drop out of the Presidential Race a long time ago in 1987 (before he decided to get hansy and grab Reade inappropriately). Biden is a fraud too, but Reade isn’t the one because accused of sexual misconduct against a subordinate

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/24/us/biden-withdraws-bid-for-president-in-wake-of-furor.html

But because you hate women (including your own mother for giving birth to you), your move is to believe Biden and not women.

This post was edited by excellence on May 22 2020 12:52pm
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May 22 2020 12:55pm
Quote (IceMage @ 22 May 2020 20:33)
Good to see that when I'm gone, nobody actually posts relevant information.


Well, you might be the only regular here on PaRD who's actually enthusiastic about Biden. ;)
Almost everyone else considers him the lesser of two evils, or is a Trump supporter anyway.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/tara-reade-lawyer/index.html

Tara Reade's a fraud. If you didn't already know that, now it's kind of obvious.


Like Thor said, this doesnt necessarily disprove her accusations. I agree, however, that it's raising a red flag and reduces her credibility.
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May 22 2020 12:56pm
Quote (excellence @ May 22 2020 02:52pm)
This is what you’re going with? Biden (D) misrepresented his education too and had to drop out of the Presidential Race a long time ago in 1987 (before he decided to get hansy and grab Reade inappropriately). Biden is a fraud too, but Reade isn’t the one because accused of sexual misconduct against a subordinate

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/24/us/biden-withdraws-bid-for-president-in-wake-of-furor.html

But because you hate women (including your own mother for giving birth to you), your move is to believe Biden and not women.


So you're acknowledging that Tara Reade is an obvious fraud?

Good to have you on our side, thanks.
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