Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 18 2020 12:01pm)

You said if cases went down properly the situation would not have been as drastic. I point to Europe because for a long time people gave that as an example of what went down properly meant. Even with their lower rates over the summer they still saw a pretty strong spike between October and November where they actually had higher numbers than ours.

The point is not to compare Europe to the US, the point is that some of the measures we thought would work have no evidence that they actually did but here we are trying to implement them longer and longer. Hopefully, the vaccine gives us long term immunity but if not we can't keep applying blunt tools that actually do more damage and are basically being implemented on notions "well it makes sense that if we close more businesses down then people wouldn't catch or spread Covid" Does it really though? Does the small business being closed help but the thousands of people that are funneled into the same walmarts, targets, etc not have an impact?

Quote (Bazi @ 18 Dec 2020 12:58)

-_-
The vaccine is free lol

Quote (Bazi @ Dec 18 2020 01:13pm)

They had higher numbers in October /November because there spike was earlier than ours. Talk to me in February when you can compare appropriate parts of the curves with each other. This is a classic case of cherry picking data points and comparing apples with oranges. Our start of the spike vs their peaking numbers. Again, objectively , cases per capita in regards to where we are on our respective curves, there is no objective comparison. Our spike slope will be steeper and higher, no questions about it. We will reach hospital saturation and staffing saturation in every state of the Country, they will not

Quote (excellence @ Dec 18 2020 12:16pm)

good

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-18/wealthy-patients-scramble-covid-19-vaccine

people offering a lot for the free vaccine -_-

Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 18 2020 12:26pm)

Bold call. Maybe it will happen maybe not.

Not sure where you're getting the correct comparisons for the cycles that would make it apples to apples? For example, why do you want to compare their October to our February? I see their first spike in mid-march for them and mid-April for us so the difference in cycles would be like a month, not 4 months.
That's also consistent with what we're seeing now. They peaked in late October-November and about a month later maybe a little over we're starting to peak.

And again that has little to nothing to do with saying lockdown measures do much tbh.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 18 2020 11:59am)

Go back and point to where I said that.

Quote (Bazi @ Dec 18 2020 11:56am)

What u are missing is mask mandates work when the whole population follows suit. Even in cali as liberal as it is , 30% of the population remains anti mask

Their effectiveness in preventing droplet spread is already well documented even prior to covid

Wisconsin /MI have mask “mandates” and half the people where masks. If u enforce mandates people will cry naziism

Quote (Thor123422 @ 18 Dec 2020 16:10)

So he wants to open schools and take steps to make that safe.

That explains why you guys are looking so desparate. It's hard to argue against a cautious evidence based approach.

You guys look really pathetic blaming Biden instead of blaming the states that took forever to even do mask mandates.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 18 2020 01:37pm)

Still can't find anywhere to substantiate his straw man.

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You guys look really pathetic blaming Biden instead of blaming the states that took forever to even do mask mandates.

Quote (Bazi @ Dec 18 2020 01:33pm)

It is not a bold call, it’s just following the numbers. An easy call

Also I didn’t say compare their October with our feb

I said by February U will have the data to compare winter peaks country to country

Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 18 2020 12:38pm)

This is the sort of myopia I'm talking about. Some people simply can't comprehend that there are costs and consequences to all of our actions.