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Aug 9 2020 11:11pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 10 2020 03:08pm)
Maybe to you. And... you don't seem to be debating the issue any more.

I'll say it again, very slowly.

We do not have a system in place to be able to handle mail in voting.


Yes you do, the same way you handle christmas but easier.
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Aug 9 2020 11:18pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 9 2020 09:51pm)
The post office delivers EVERYTHING to a select few locations. Unlike Christmas cards and packages which then go to the homes, the mail in votes, THEN have to go on to further select locations.

It never ceases to amaze me that people from outside the US, feel they understand the US systems, better than those who have lived in this country their entire lives. ^^


funny they actually do in this case..
SAD!
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Aug 9 2020 11:25pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 10 2020 01:11am)
Yes you do, the same way you handle christmas but easier.




Much harder, involving a LOT more people and locations.

I notice you've acquired an echo. Maybe you can have your doctor, remove it. :D
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Aug 9 2020 11:26pm
The USPS delivers hundreds of millions of letters and packages every day. Mail in voting would be a drop in the bucket for one week.

That means at most it would need an extra 350 million packages delivered over a span of a few weeks to a few months depending on how early it was allowed to be sent.

That means at worst you would be looking at an increase from around 400 million packages a day, to 450 million packages a day, and only for a week. If you spread it out over a longer period it would literally be undetectable in the noise because of the insane volume they already handle.

Oh, and that assumes 100% of the population can vote. That obviously isn't true, so let's assume 60% vote and 250 million eligible voters which is pretty close to what we expect, that would mean it's actually only about 150 million over 7 days, which takes it down to a ~25 million increase over 7 days, which isn't really detectable among a daily delivery of 450 million packages

https://facts.usps.com/one-day/

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Aug 9 2020 11:36pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 9 2020 10:26pm)
The USPS delivers hundreds of millions of letters and packages every day. Mail in voting would be a drop in the bucket for one week.

That means at most it would need an extra 350 million packages delivered over a span of a few weeks to a few months depending on how early it was allowed to be sent.

That means at worst you would be looking at an increase from around 400 million packages a day, to 450 million packages a day, and only for a week. If you spread it out over a longer period it would literally be undetectable in the noise because of the insane volume they already handle.

https://facts.usps.com/one-day/


its funny when somebody from another country has to point this out to somebody that is like 50+ and lived here his entire life.
and then bitches that the "foreigner" doesn't understand the US.. SMH
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Aug 9 2020 11:46pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 10 2020 03:25pm)
Much harder, involving a LOT more people and locations.

I notice you've acquired an echo. Maybe you can have your doctor, remove it. :D


How is it a lot more locations?
The mail is already picked up from the same places, nothing changes on that end, the ballots all go to the same places, christmas would be millions of items to millions of locations, ballots are millions of items to a few locations..
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Aug 9 2020 11:54pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 10 2020 01:46am)
How is it a lot more locations?
The mail is already picked up from the same places, nothing changes on that end, the ballots all go to the same places, christmas would be millions of items to millions of locations, ballots are millions of items to a few locations..


Yes...places

The ballots go to collection depots, then from there to larger ones, then again larger yet. Eventually it reaches the State level. THEN what you're saying is true. Ballots will make many, many stops within each state. Whereas things like Christmas cards, make 1 or two well defined, used for years, stops, before they head to destination.


Maybe after 20 years or so of mail in ballots... it would be as fast or maybe faster than Christmas cards.


And that doesn't include all the frauds and fraud accusations, and investigations, etc. Hell, if we started the mail in ballots now, I sincerely doubt they will be verified and counted by the Jan. 2021 inauguration.


They need a better plan. The one they have won't work.
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Aug 9 2020 11:56pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 10 2020 12:54am)
Yes...places

The ballots go to collection depots, then from there to larger ones, then again larger yet. Eventually it reaches the State level. THEN what you're saying is true. Ballots will make many, many stops within each state. Whereas things like Christmas cards, make 1 or two well defined, used for years, stops, before they head to destination.

Maybe after 20 years or so of mail in ballots... it would be as fast or maybe faster than Christmas cards.

And that doesn't include all the frauds and fraud accusations, and investigations, etc. Hell, if we started the mail in ballots now, I sincerely doubt they will be verified and counted by the Jan. 2021 inauguration.

They need a better plan. The one they have won't work.


The practice of things going to intermediate destinations before going to the final destination is literally how all mail is already done. Have you never looked at the tracking information on a package before?
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Aug 10 2020 12:03am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 10 2020 01:56am)
The practice of things going to intermediate destinations before going to the final destination is literally how all mail is already done. Have you never looked at the tracking information on a package before?




Maybe where you live the mail hits more than one or two distribution points, before it hits your mail box.
I've never lived anywhere in the US where it took more than that.


/e And things like UPS or FedEx, only have one stop before the truck to my house.


/ee Except for the fraud angle, mail in ballots would be a great idea. But they need to start small. Like mayoral elections or some shyt.

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Quote (Ghot @ Aug 10 2020 01:03am)
Maybe where you live the mail hits more than one or two distribution points, before it hits your mail box.
I've never lived anywhere in the US where it took more than that.

/e And things like UPS or FedEx, only have one stop before the truck to my house.

/ee Except for the fraud angle, mail in ballots would be a great idea. But they need to start small. Like mayoral elections or some shyt.


UPS hits 3 depots on its way to me if it doesn't come from the warehouse in town, which it virtually never does.

You also just admitted you can do it with only one or two distribution points for most places, so you just defeated yourself.

The fraud angle can be overcome pretty easily with some basic security steps. But then again we don't even have basic security on our social security numbers, so it's unlikely we will ever have good security on anything.
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