Maybe for someone who lacks abstraction in thought and is stuck in the concrete operational stage of development.




Agreed. Centrally planned economies are disasters and markets for the most part firm their own order spontaneously and self-regulate in most sectors. These are common in non-liberal societies. Most people who come from illiberal nations, like your parents, appreciate our liberal democratic republic.




I told you before i will teabag your mother. Besides, i can't leave the country because our passports are worthless. Nobody wants the American Flu.

Like everything else we consume, even our pandemics are made in China. Now out on your china shoes and take a walk




I'm pretty sure the marketing of cigarettes alone has killed double that.

480,000 a year dead from them in US and smoking is pretty low right now.

How many people died in the US war with Philippines? That was fought to open the markets there and genocidal actions took place. The American slave trade was capitalism at its finest.

Why aren't you calling capitalism a failure if we are just measuring greatness by the number if corpses?

You people are intellectually dishonest.




Nothing perfect exists. People who say communism has never existed don't understand praxis.

You grope around with a thesis, apply it, it is mitigated by the antithesis that are at play, and dialectic occurs.

Now back to yardwork.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 11 2020 09:14am

Good luck with that.

Anyway, I do not think completely abolishing capitalism will ever be the most desirable option. Unregulated capitalism (such as in the USA) is almost as bad as pure communism is, but we should not start thinking of communism as anything other than an unrealistic utopia, just because capitalism is so terrible.
Capitalism causes the elite to control nearly everything, but implementing communism without going through a totalitarian phase is simply impossible. The risks for oppression are far too big, and the potential benefits of communism are completely unproven.

What you need is reasonable wage inequality, with regulations that keep the economy from being completely owned by "the one percent". This could be achieved by just having a proper tax system for large corporations and wealthy individuals, and providing cheap access to education and health care.

This post was edited by Leevee on Jul 11 2020 09:11am

Cigarettes.



vs. Forced Labor, execution, arrest, deportation, starvation

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jul 11 2020 09:18am

why dont you ask for it?

How many Americans are incarcerated? How many slaves have worked here? How many people were killed in the First Middle Crossing? Second Middle Crossing? The current Third Middle Crossing, slavery in the form of mass incarceration.

It isn't voluntary without informed consent. They paid doctors to tell people smoking was ok. Nobody thought that.

What about American labor? You worked at a factory in the middle of nowhere and lived in a company hut, were paid in dollars that were ration tickets for the company store, and of you tried to make your life better they would hire Pinkerton mercenaries to point guns at you and make you work.

Google Triangle Shirt Fire, where dozens of women burned to death because they were locked in a factory and unable to leave.

You have these strong opinions and you're not informed at all.

Also how was American slavery not all the things you listed? You aren't even thinking :/

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 11 2020 09:21am

Communism does not work. While a majority will be comfortable being lazy fucks and doing minimum work for their government stipend, there will always be intellects and individuals who stray away from the norm and try to better life for themselves and others, causing an uprising.

Maybe it's because I need more coffee, but I genuinely don't get what you mean.

The biggest lesson from it i think is if something is owned by everyone, nobody takes personal responsibility for it.

It falls apart at the commons.

And there are a plethora of other reasons it sucks.

I fundamentally disagree with the notion that person 1 and person 2 can make a decision about person 3. But that happens in capitalism all the time too. Externality is real.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 11 2020 09:23am

What were the criminal penalties for choosing not to partake in the Communistic regime or meet their quota? Genocide? Beatings? Loss of property? Long sentences? Starvation?

Speak out against the govt. Get sentences to the Gulag.

I read about a guy that received 15+ years to the Gulag for writing a joke on his voter ballot.

I certainly don't classify them as "free people".

It also sounds like smoking had limited research until the 1950s.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jul 11 2020 09:23am

Yes, that's why I'm a liberal, i believe all humans should have rights.

That's why i swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.

Make no mistake, i love America. But you can't master yourself through denial and rationalizations and black and white thinking like I'm seeing here.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 11 2020 09:25am