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Jun 5 2020 11:38pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 5 2020 10:34pm)
What i am saying is if you want to point out black deaths with zero justice i can point to a hell of a lot larger demographic than cops that everyone conveniently ignores.


Please inform me of a demographic that receives higher rates of death by police without justice.
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Jun 5 2020 11:41pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 6 Jun 2020 01:12)
George floyd case has not even been to court yet, wtf?

Direct quote from tony mcdade:

"Just know before I kill myself through a shootout, because that's what's going to happen, because I'm [going to] pull it out and you know these officers nowadays they see a gun they just [going to] shoot....So that's what I'm pushing for, because I don't want to be here on earth dealing with the government.”

— Tony McDade, Facebook Live Video

This one also hasn't seen a court room.

Looking up the last one now.


Tony Mcdade apparently had stabbed Malik Jackson to death 15 mins before the shooting. RIP to them both

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2020/05/29/long-live-malik-family-friends-pay-tribute-slain-young-man/5280642002/
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Jun 5 2020 11:42pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 6 2020 12:38am)
Please inform me of a demographic that receives higher rates of death by police without justice.


inb4 black on black crime
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Jun 5 2020 11:45pm
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Tony Mcdade apparently had stabbed Malik Jackson to death 15 mins before the shooting. RIP to them both

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2020/05/29/long-live-malik-family-friends-pay-tribute-slain-young-man/5280642002/


Tony McDade's case, I admit, is not as indicative of the endemic issue as I previously believed it to be. It does not, however, affect the overall trend and the near endless list of Black people who are testament to its existence.
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Jun 5 2020 11:47pm
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Tony McDade's case, I admit, is not as indicative of the endemic issue as I previously believed it to be. It does not, however, affect the overall trend and the near endless list of Black people who are testament to its existence.

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Jun 5 2020 11:48pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 6 2020 12:29am)
Uh, no, they are just 3 recent cases that people are protesting.

The list is near endless...

Philando Castile.
Tamir Rice.
Eric Garner.
Charles Kinsey.
Aiyana Mo'Nay Stanley-Jones.

I could go on.


First off, not going to research every case. Lol.

Endless list. Sooo.. those are from how many years??

Almost 400,000,000 police interactions with the public a year.

Also we have unarmed white people that are killed by police as well.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jun 5 2020 11:50pm
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Jun 5 2020 11:49pm
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What i am saying is that list is so small that it is not really relevant, you can NEVER eliminate all bad actors, and if the problem was as substantial as it is being out to be the list would number a million, not a few dozen.
I mean using these deaths as evidence of systemic issues was not really much of anything.

What IS lucky though is that the police went out and got caught THREE HUNDRED TIMES this week on camera committing assault, so they kind of kicked an own goal and proved the protesters right.


Despite myself being a major advocate of addressing the problems of state violence and lack of police accountability, I agree the 'cops hunting and killing blacks because racism' narrative is wildly overblown.
Its a function of the media and politicians only focusing on cases of blacks being killed by white people/cops.
I hate that they have made this into a divisive race issue based on myths.

Still, cops kill a good number of people of various races, including black people. He gave you some of their names.
And as you brought up, police brutality and misconduct is not limited to homicide cases.
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Jun 5 2020 11:53pm
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Despite myself being a major advocate of addressing the problems of state violence and lack of police accountability, I agree the 'cops hunting and killing blacks because racism' narrative is wildly overblown.
Its a function of the media and politicians only focusing on cases of blacks being killed by white people/cops.
I hate that they have made this into a divisive race issue based on myths.

Still, cops kill a good number of people of various races, including black people. He gave you some of their names.
And as you brought up, police brutality and misconduct is not limited to homicide cases.


People aren't saying that the cops are out 'hunting' black people. It's about the circumstances of their death while interacting with or being detained by police, and the lack of justice and accountability that follows.
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Jun 5 2020 11:55pm
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People aren't saying that the cops are out 'hunting' black people. It's about the circumstances of their death while interacting with or being detained by police, and the lack of justice and accountability that follows.


Some certainly are, but not all.
e/ I would agree I could have omitted that word as it is distracting from the point and doesn't apply as broadly.

Yes and those circumstances are commonly misrepresented to push a racial narrative.

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Despite myself being a major advocate of addressing the problems of state violence and lack of police accountability, I agree the 'cops hunting and killing blacks because racism' narrative is wildly overblown.
Its a function of the media and politicians only focusing on cases of blacks being killed by white people/cops.
I hate that they have made this into a divisive race issue based on myths.

Still, cops kill a good number of people of various races, including black people. He gave you some of their names.
And as you brought up, police brutality and misconduct is not limited to homicide cases.


Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 6 2020 12:34am)
What i am saying is that list is so small that it is not really relevant, you can NEVER eliminate all bad actors, and if the problem was as substantial as it is being out to be the list would number a million, not a few dozen.
I mean using these deaths as evidence of systemic issues was not really much of anything.
What IS lucky though is that the police went out and got caught THREE HUNDRED TIMES this week on camera committing assault, so they kind of kicked an own goal and proved the protesters right.
What i am saying is if you want to point out black deaths with zero justice i can point to a hell of a lot larger demographic than cops that everyone conveniently ignores.


The reason it gets the most attention is because police have a history of brutalizing black people. When slaves escaped it was the police that returned them to their owners, and there was even a federal law passed that prohibited state actors from violating civil rights because of the southern police's involvement with the KKK. During Jim Crow era it was the police that enforced segregation, and during the civil rights peaceful protests it was the police turning dogs and fire hoses on peaceful protesters. When the drug war started it was the police that enforced that too. The reason this is such a serious issue isn't because the ratios are so bad that black people are brutalized every day. It's blown up this much because it's a continuing pattern of abuse that's been institutional in the system for literal centuries that we have failed to address. When you look at things in a vacuum it seems like it's overblown, but when you take a view that includes more of American history besides the past 5 years it is pretty obvious why the problem has achieved the status it has in the media and in our modern culture.
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