i am at work not home, sadly.

so based on no-conviction = sued out the ass, what do we do if it's past the statute of limitations?

and in any case, if you can prove they accused you maliciously and falsely u CAN sue, right now, in 2020 America, for slander/libel. so you got your wish.

It's already illegal to bring knowingly false charges. If you allow accusers to be sued easily and have a low bar then you're going to end up with a lot of instances where not only did somebody get raped or assaulted, but they then have to pay their assaulter.

#kesha

or in reality someone doesn't bring enough proof for a rape trial, and it fails. then the accused rapist doesn't bring enough proof for a false charge, and that fails. lawyers win, courts clogged up, and no one goes to jail or pays anyone anything.

If it's past the statute of limitations, then even the accusation should be considered slander/libel. But I've said all this before.




Here's the problem... the Dems have been "using" these accusations to attempt to destroy opponents. They should not even be allowed to make the accusations without some serious proof.
But again, I've said all this before.




Allowing this #metoo crap, is opening a very dangerous can of worms. We'd be starting on the road to... guilty until proven innocent. Therein lies the problem.

This post was edited by Ghot on Apr 28 2020 11:28am

so we should impede the 1st amendment in order to uphold a hundreds of years older addition to the 4th amendment?

like if a former child remembers a family member molesting them 30 years ago as a result of hypnotism therapy and says it out lout they can then be sued by their molester uncle?

sometimes i dont think you think out any specifics when you post, you just shoot from the hip. then i remember that if you thought about it all day your ignorance of the law would still prevent you from understanding just how silly you sound, well and your ego.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 28 2020 11:31am

Sounds like you just hate free speech then.

He has a point though. There is a problem with false accusations being used for political, financial, or personal gain. If a woman accuses a man of some sort of sexual misconduct then gets up on the stand and cries in court, the man is pretty much fucked unless he has witnesses or video/audio evidence directly refuting the woman's story. Even if there isn't enough evidence to convict, the damage done to the man's reputation and career are irreversible. Moreover, even if the man does miraculously have the aforementioned assets at his disposal, the punishment the woman faces for making a false accusation is nothing in comparison to what the man would have faced, if found guilty.

As it stands, it is far too easy for false accusations to be made with little to no repercussion. I don't have a solution that could magically fix this, nor would I want the pendulum to swing too far in the other direction resulting in genuine victim's accusations being shut down or ignored. If you have any big brain ideas, I'd be genuinely interested to hear them.



You're a child molester who has engaged in sexual misconduct with over 100 boys and girls. I don't have a shred of evidence or any witnesses to attest to the veracity of my claims, but these are minor details. Now, I hope you don't mind if I contact your friends, family, and employer with my accusation. I'm just exercising my freedom of speech

This post was edited by EA7 on Apr 28 2020 11:41am

If someone accused TheSnipa publicly of being a cattle rustler, and the evidence was ambiguous as to whether he ever stole a stole a hiefer from the blue pine ranch- would anyone give a shit? Would it destroy his reputation, would there be a mob assembled demanding his career be destroyed and the law selectively applied or retroactively changed to string him up? Not in 2020
Because being a thief, or a drug dealer, or a fraud, or numerous other crimes won't incur society's wrath beyond the legal code. But our neopuritanical society thinks even the perception of sexual impropriety needs to be punished with an absolutism that would make the quran blush, so we make it into a big deal. And here people are looking to the law, the constitution, the recourse for and against- to address a problem that is societal in nature. The standard that an accomplished man with decades of public service and qualifications out the ass should be judged on the primary factor of whether he thrust himself on some girl for 2 seconds 30 years ago, whether his name is Kavanaugh or Biden, is just where society places its priorities today. That's not up to any one person or any subgroup of people to turn aside and it can't rationally be fixed by law, at least not beyond bandaids as safeguards. Even if you did try to make some law tailored narrowly at false accusations, you'd still be running against a culture that would treat thinly evidenced accusations as damning anyway

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 28 2020 11:44am

The root of the problem is the media. That's the vehicle these accusers are using to make their unverified accusations damaging.
Like I said the last time we discussed this... I'm too old for this to be an issue for me. But all ya all need to ponder the bed you will be making for yourself, by allowing this to continue.

"This" being... media not held accountable for what they print or televise.


Fictitious scenario: Thor gets his degree, becomes a doctor, gets married, has kids, a house, etc. 30 years from now, some pissed off wacko, starts running around making accusations about say... malpractice incidents, involving Thor.
The local media, w/o doing any research, runs with the story, the national media picks it up... and before you know it, Thor, who didn't do anything wrong, loses his practice/license just because the media has blown up the story so large, that even if Thor sued for defamation of character and won....he would be too hot for the AMA to want to deal with anymore.

This isn't really a free speech issue. This is a media accountability issue that needs to be nipped in the bud, before it gets too much further out of hand.
Again... if we let this slide and do nothing about it.... it won't be me that has to live in that world, it will be you folks.

This post was edited by Ghot on Apr 28 2020 11:49am