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Feb 12 2020 12:24pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 12 2020 09:55am)
i had a bernie supporter in my living room asking me about AI. as i explained the # of jobs that will be lost he said "but couldnt like workers band together and take back the means of production to protect themselves". it was at this moment i lost all hope that Bernie could embrace UBI. its antithetical to his worker empowerment direction for america. but id love to be shocked.

i do hope Yang runs in 2024, and stays away from state or local politics. maybe writes a book on economically crumbling areas Michael Moore style.


The main issue with a lot of AI is people are making a lot of assumptions, even people like you and me and the experts who predict worse case or bad scenarios. But the reality is the AI revolution that is happening atm has never happened and people just aren't realizing to give proper concerns what happens if we create technology to automate 15-30% or up to 50% of repetitive or automate repetitive financial tasks or work (law/business/clerical etc) and assuming there will be enough of a job rebound created is one helluva assumption to make. Since if we wait for the gradual change to happen, one day we will slowly watch millions of people disintegrate into sorrows/drugs and the dying manufacturing cities of the midwest will be a country wide phenomenon and a global one.

It's very hard for us to visualize fears for things we don't fully understand. The idea of AI is mostly been relegated to novel fears from the likes of Terminator movies and similar AI/Robotic. But just regular AI becoming more and more efficient at doing repetitive tasks/labor just keeps escalating and companies funnel their profits to keep automating away labor if it becomes worth the investment since at a certain point corporations won't be able to abuse low wage labor globally forever.
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Feb 12 2020 12:34pm
Quote (sir_lance_bb @ Feb 12 2020 12:24pm)
The main issue with a lot of AI is people are making a lot of assumptions, even people like you and me and the experts who predict worse case or bad scenarios. But the reality is the AI revolution that is happening atm has never happened and people just aren't realizing to give proper concerns what happens if we create technology to automate 15-30% or up to 50% of repetitive or automate repetitive financial tasks or work (law/business/clerical etc) and assuming there will be enough of a job rebound created is one helluva assumption to make. Since if we wait for the gradual change to happen, one day we will slowly watch millions of people disintegrate into sorrows/drugs and the dying manufacturing cities of the midwest will be a country wide phenomenon and a global one.

It's very hard for us to visualize fears for things we don't fully understand. The idea of AI is mostly been relegated to novel fears from the likes of Terminator movies and similar AI/Robotic. But just regular AI becoming more and more efficient at doing repetitive tasks/labor just keeps escalating and companies funnel their profits to keep automating away labor if it becomes worth the investment since at a certain point corporations won't be able to abuse low wage labor globally forever.


i agree AI is a new thing, not even to be compared to industrial revolution doing away with jobs like baseball seemers and what not. but we do have an idea what the damage can be, in Flint MI, in coal country, etc. we know what happens when a major manufacturer moves all the jobs. it spawned Trump. the fact that democats dont recognize that ignoring AI grows the trump voter pool is crazy to me. but maybe they think they can spin it once the ball drops with anti corporation narratives. is it the corporations fault? sure. did the democrats have ample warning and a candidate trying to fix it that was largely ignored and even maligned? 100%. i think the long term takeaway will be "trump tried but the dems buried yang and told us the future was for workers, but that just sped up AI when we listed our demands."
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Feb 12 2020 06:17pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 12 2020 12:34pm)
i agree AI is a new thing, not even to be compared to industrial revolution doing away with jobs like baseball seemers and what not. but we do have an idea what the damage can be, in Flint MI, in coal country, etc. we know what happens when a major manufacturer moves all the jobs. it spawned Trump. the fact that democats dont recognize that ignoring AI grows the trump voter pool is crazy to me. but maybe they think they can spin it once the ball drops with anti corporation narratives. is it the corporations fault? sure. did the democrats have ample warning and a candidate trying to fix it that was largely ignored and even maligned? 100%. i think the long term takeaway will be "trump tried but the dems buried yang and told us the future was for workers, but that just sped up AI when we listed our demands."



What would be more of a catalyst for AI than a minimum wage of $15 lol

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Feb 12 2020 06:42pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ 23 Jan 2020 20:17)
This is what's probably going to happen.

Obama being Black radicalized the Right, which in part resulted in Trump.

After 8 years of Trump radicalizing the Left, we'll probably end up with a socialist like AOC.


You gotta be really dumb if you think that Obama being black radicalized the right...
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Feb 12 2020 06:48pm
Quote (excellence @ Feb 12 2020 09:19am)
rest in rip in peace to Yang’s campaign

hopefully he runs as a (R) in 2024 and his ideas continue to spread
to me he is this generation’s Ross Perot - identifying problems and presenting solutions to issues that already exist and will affect us dramatically in 10-20 years


High doubts that Yang would run as republican as most his views fall into the Democratic party. I don't agree with all of his policies either but he was so inspiring while he was running. I wish this guy had a better chance out there. Everybody needs to spread the awareness.

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Feb 12 2020 07:23pm
Quote (ChrisKz @ Feb 12 2020 06:42pm)
You gotta be really dumb if you think that Obama being black radicalized the right...


I literally saw a diner full of people clap when an old guy said 'I aint votin for no nigger"

You're out of touch with the south if you think there wasn't a significant section of the right that was energized by Obama being black.
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Feb 12 2020 07:29pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 12 Feb 2020 20:23)
I literally saw a diner full of people clap when an old guy said 'I aint votin for no nigger"

You're out of touch with the south if you think there wasn't a significant section of the right that was energized by Obama being black.


Imo you are out of touch. You live in a small town and equate that to your view on republicans. There is more than one type of person on the right. The majority of them live in cities, too.
I would say like 10-20 percent of republicans might share those views. A minuscule amount compared to the overall projection.

This post was edited by ChrisKz on Feb 12 2020 07:30pm
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Feb 12 2020 07:57pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 12 2020 08:23pm)
I literally saw a diner full of people clap when an old guy said 'I aint votin for no nigger"

You're out of touch with the south if you think there wasn't a significant section of the right that was energized by Obama being black.


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Feb 12 2020 08:14pm
Quote (ChrisKz @ Feb 13 2020 12:29pm)
Imo you are out of touch. You live in a small town and equate that to your view on republicans. There is more than one type of person on the right. The majority of them live in cities, too.
I would say like 10-20 percent of republicans might share those views. A minuscule amount compared to the overall projection.


10-20% of 100 million people is minuscule?
My countries population is less than 20% of republicans.

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Feb 12 2020 08:16pm
Quote (ChrisKz @ 13 Feb 2020 01:42)
You gotta be really dumb if you think that Obama being black radicalized the right...


I dont think Obama radicalized the right - he caused many white socially conservative Democrats (predominantly rural and/or working-class) to realize the alienation between the Democratic party and themselves on topics of culture, race, immigration, religion, gun rights, LGBTQ issues and so on. This alienation had been going since at least the 90s, probably since the civil rights era. Obama was the catalyst for the final steps of the "great swap" between the parties, which ultimately came to its conclusion with the voter realignment seen in 2016 and 2018 under Trump.

Until the 60s, the Democratic base outside of the coasts were rural and more conservative people, while the Republicans were the party of professionals and business elites. In the wake of the civil rights era and Nixon's southern strategy, the racist whites very quickly defected to the GOP, while a lot of working-class whites in the north stayed with the Democrats. But the Dems became increasingly liberal, particularly on social issues, while this segment of their electorate stuck by their social conservatism. It is this segment of socially/culturally conservative voters who arent outright racists that was driven out of the party during Obama's presidency. At the same time, cosmopolitan voters increasingly switched from the GOP to the Dems. Note that the defection of college-educated whites from the GOP to the Dems had already picked up pace under Obama, and really was one cornerstone of the 'Obama coalition'. So it's not like these voters only fled the GOP in reaction to Trump.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 12 2020 08:19pm
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