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I hope there will be another huge wave of religion of peace moving to Germany. When the dust settles.

:rofl:


Beats getting bankrupted by a religion of coins.
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on June 17–18, Germany’s Chancellor Friedrich Merz praised Israel’s recent air‐strikes on Iran, calling them “the dirty work that Israel is doing for all of us.” He said he “has the greatest respect” that Israel “had the courage to do this,” emphasizing that these strikes protect not just Israel but also Europe from Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

so if Germany is sending billions to Ukraine, lets see what its doing for Israel...

In 2023, Germany approved €326.5 million (≈ $353 million) in military exports to Israel
In early 2024, this surged tenfold compared to 2022
From January to August 2024, approvals dropped sharply to €14.5 million—with only €32,449 of that classified as war‑grade weaponry
From August to October 2024, another €94 million in export licenses was granted
A parliamentary update confirmed Germany approved €485 million in weapons exports from October 2023 through mid-May 2025

Yay! lets invade countries! for freedom! for democracy!


Who talks about us invading others? No European troops will set a foot on Iranian soil, probably not even Israeli ones. In Ukraine, it is Russia which has invaded them, not the other way round.
Yes yes, I know, the Russian side frames its actions as some sort of "preemptive defense against Western geostrategic aggression". It's still their soldiers in another country, just like it is still the Russian side which has ramped up its arms industry far more than the Western side. Likewise, you hear far more talk about destroying or nuking the West coming out of Teheran and the Kremlin than the other way round.

But hey, maybe you think the mullah regime in possession of nukes would be better for freedom and democracy in the Middle East?
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Jun 21 2025 01:31am
Who talks about us invading others? No European troops will set a foot on Iranian soil, probably not even Israeli ones. In Ukraine, it is Russia which has invaded them, not the other way round.
Yes yes, I know, the Russian side frames its actions as some sort of "preemptive defense against Western geostrategic aggression". It's still their soldiers in another country, just like it is still the Russian side which has ramped up its arms industry far more than the Western side. Likewise, you hear far more talk about destroying or nuking the West coming out of Teheran and the Kremlin than the other way round.

But hey, maybe you think the mullah regime in possession of nukes would be better for freedom and democracy in the Middle East?


Iran already has weapons of mass destruction in the form of chemical weapons. if they were really hell bent on killing israeli's they would have used them by now.
The US gave chemical weapons to Iraq to use against Iran.
The US is the one that went into Iran and destroyed its democratic way of life and instead installed a dictatorship.

i dont respond to the Ukrainian blurb as your long enough in the Russia thread to know the argument. When the German head of state, when the US head of state, cheer leads a war of aggression, there is really not much to say in favor of these countries.

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Iran already has weapons of mass destruction in the form of chemical weapons. if they were really hell bent on killing israeli's they would have used them by now.
The US gave chemical weapons to Iraq to use against Iran.
The US is the one that went into Iran and destroyed its democratic way of life and instead installed a dictatorship.

i dont response to the Ukrainian blurb as your long enough in the Russia thread to know the argument.


Sure, no need to re-litigate our different perspectives on Russia/Ukraine.

Regarding Iran, I have to disagree, though. Chemical weapons have far less destructive potential than nukes, they are magnitudes worse as a deterrent or a "great equalizer".
The US did not install Iran's current theocracy, although their short-sighted actions paved the way for Khomeini. So yes, they (alongside the Brits) fucked the situation up.

Nonetheless, this does not absolve Iran from responsibility for its recent actions. When Obama and later Biden loosened the sanctions and unfroze assets, Iran could have used the opportunity to bolster its economy and infrastructure or do some other productive thing. Instead, they instantly used their financial breathing room to ramp up their proxies in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Palestine, who then brought war to Israel, Saudi Arabia and exacerbated the already ongoing civil war in Syria. And of course their crucial support for Russia during the Ukraine war, basically jump-starting Russia's domestic drone program. And they brutally cracked down on democratic protests at home on multiple occasions.

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Sure, no need to re-litigate our different perspectives on Russia/Ukraine.

Regarding Iran, I have to disagree, though. Chemical weapons have far less destructive potential than nukes, they are magnitudes worse as a deterrent or a "great equalizer".
The US did not install Iran's current theocracy, although their short-sighted actions paved the way for Khomeini. So yes, they (alongside the Brits) fucked the situation up.

Nonetheless, this does not absolve Iran from responsibility for its recent actions. When Obama and later Biden loosened the sanctions and unfroze assets, Iran could have used the opportunity to bolster its economy and infrastructure or do some other productive thing. Instead, they instantly used their financial breathing room to ramp up their proxies in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Palestine, who then brought war to Israel, Saudi Arabia and exacerbated the already ongoing civil war in Syria. And of course their crucial support for Russia during the Ukraine war, basically jump-starting Russia's domestic drone program. And they brutally cracked down on democratic protests at home on multiple occasions.


your missing the point, Iran has them, but are not using them. North Korea has nukes but is not using them, even though their rhetoric is also extreme. I get it - we hear the Iranian rhetoric, but is it any different from that of Israel? has Israel not sang the same song of killing everyone from the river to the sea? The only difference with Israel is that they are doing it. We are also talking about Iran, not Saudi (who are allied with the US and have done unspeakable things - with the consent from the US).

Saudi Arabia went into Yemen in much the same way as Israel went in to Iran. In their case, over 1/4 of a million people are dead. That war was launched with the approval and logistical support of the United States (see the similarities?), especially under the Obama and Trump administrations. The US provided intelligence, aerial refueling, and arms sales. The war has caused a major humanitarian crisis, with widespread famine, civilian casualties, and infrastructure destruction.

In October 2018, Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist and critic of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), was murdered inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Investigations concluded that he was lured, killed, and dismembered by a Saudi hit team. US intelligence later assessed that the operation was approved by MBS, who the US supports.

So ye, you either support that or maybe dont mention Saudi to further your points. Alternatively, I guess? you can say "well its a complex situation" or use the western narrative "Saudi has a right to defend itself".

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Sure, no need to re-litigate our different perspectives on Russia/Ukraine.

Regarding Iran, I have to disagree, though. Chemical weapons have far less destructive potential than nukes, they are magnitudes worse as a deterrent or a "great equalizer".
The US did not install Iran's current theocracy, although their short-sighted actions paved the way for Khomeini. So yes, they (alongside the Brits) fucked the situation up.

Nonetheless, this does not absolve Iran from responsibility for its recent actions. When Obama and later Biden loosened the sanctions and unfroze assets, Iran could have used the opportunity to bolster its economy and infrastructure or do some other productive thing. Instead, they instantly used their financial breathing room to ramp up their proxies in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Palestine, who then brought war to Israel, Saudi Arabia and exacerbated the already ongoing civil war in Syria. And of course their crucial support for Russia during the Ukraine war, basically jump-starting Russia's domestic drone program. And they brutally cracked down on democratic protests at home on multiple occasions.



Iran complied to all standards that that were set in agreement with the US, Trump still pulled out of that agreement.
They had regular inspections by non-iranian scientists that they dont enrich their uranium more than to supply energy not to build nukes.
They are part of IEAE.
Israel attacked Iran


What do u mean with irans recent actions ?
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Iran complied to all standards that that were set in agreement with the US, Trump still pulled out of that agreement.
They had regular inspections by non-iranian scientists that they dont enrich their uranium more than to supply energy not to build nukes.
They are part of IEAE.
Israel attacked Iran


What do u mean with irans recent actions ?


Iran already has hundreds of kilos of 60% enriched U235 which is enough to convert to 80-90% weapons grade U235 very quickly
if desired to assemble a Hiroshima-style weapon to drop on Israelis.

Modern nuclear reactors (Bushehr) are mostly designed to run on 3-5% enriched U235.

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Iran already has hundreds of kilos of 60% enriched U235 which is enough to convert to 80-90% weapons grade U235 very quickly
if desired to assemble a Hiroshima-style weapon to drop on Israelis.

Modern nuclear reactors (Bushehr) are mostly designed to run on 3-5% enriched U235.

https://i.imgur.com/TRV4yYN.jpeg



thx for the chat gpt.

even if it would be just used as a deterrent versus Israel that also has nukes and the US

maybe if israel and iran both give up their nukes / pograms 🤷‍♂️

didnt trump say nobody should have (including secret) nukes
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thx for the chat gpt.

even if it would be just used as a deterrent versus Israel that also has nukes and the US

maybe if israel and iran both give up their nukes / pograms 🤷‍♂️

didnt trump say nobody should have (including secret) nukes


This is high school knowledge of physics every 15 year old knows + IAEA official report: https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf
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This is high school knowledge of physics every 15 year old knows + IAEA official report: https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf


you obviously cant gaslight 🤷‍♂️
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