I did read. I responded to the only rational, provable thing you said.


Here, I'll go one further. Trump didn't NEED to get dirt on Biden to win. So I guess we'll have to assume he wants to stop someone who DID engage in quid pro quo.

And Obama promised a WHOLE lot of shit he did not do. Like an insane amount go watch his campaign. All these leaders Hillary/Trump and the like are all pieces of shit. It is a big game and we are all not a part of it

They were working (with Guiliani back channel) on it since a while already, unfortunately some expectations vanished when the president was not re-elected.
But when you are a real winner you keep trying.... .

What is he afraid of?

There's a difference between political promises whose realization relies on election outcomes and other politicians, and personal promises which only rely on one's personal willingness to keep the promise.

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If Trump wanted to get a handle on corruption, why would he sack an Ambassador who was strongly anti-corruption?

And if Ukraine is supposedly one of the three most corrupt countries in the world, why would Trump (or anyone) trust them to be able to investigate Biden properly?

Agreed and Obama was a lying piece of shit

I said earlier in this topic... I think Trump was upset with Yovanovitch because she wasn't trying trying to instigate the investigation. She admitted she knew Trump wanted the investigation way back in 2017, and that Obama wanted it back in 2014. But the US ambassadors "decided" that they wouldn't close the investigation, but wouldn't actively investigate either.

These were HER words in the testimony.

Yovanovitch was characterized as "strong on corruption" based on what, and by whom?

The thing with investigations in Ukraine is not as complicated as it seems. Corruption in the country isnt wild and unpredictable, it largely goes along certain lines. Before the euromaidan, the country's economy and riches were divided among a clique of pro-russian oligarchs. After euromaidan, these pro-russian oligarchs were replaced by equally corrupt pro-western oligarchs, headed by then president Petro Poroshenko. And since the election of Zelensky, he is trying to push back these corrupt "2nd wave" oligarchs as well. If he has genuinely good intentions or just wants to replace them by yet another round of oligarchs under his control remains to be seen. But there is little doubt that he has no loyalty to or sympathy for the corrupt people from the 2014-2018 years.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 16 2019 01:43pm