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Ukraine war latest: Zelensky says ‘manipulative’ Putin wants to reject ceasefire but is afraid to tell Trump

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-war-latest-zelensky-says-manipulative-putin-wants-to-reject-ceasefire-but-is-afraid-to-tell-trump/ar-AA1tu1WF

Someone is pissed off.
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Mar 13 2025 05:54pm

I mean, he isn't wrong, though. Of course Putin tries to reject the ceasefire proposal because it doesn't benefit him right now, and of course he tries to do so without drawing Trump's ire.



The reason for Russia to accept is if it believes the ceasefire can actually become a permanent peace. It can reasonably be in Russia's interests to end the war and claim the prizes its already secured, using the peace as a trade to end western sanctions. Its not in Russia's interest to agree to a ceasefire that would get broken after giving Ukraine time to receive more support from the west. Yet Putin has every reason to believe Trump is sincere in wanting the war to end, while Zelensky and the EU keep blaring their desire to fight on. That leaves Putin in a very uncertain position.

That's the thing, though: once a ceasefire deal has been struck, going back to warfare would be horrible optics, so there will be strong inertia toward the lines of a temporary ceasefire ultimately becoming the final lines in the end. Hence, Russia would really like to stall and delay a ceasefire for a couple more weeks while they have strong momentum on the battlefield, so that they can gobble up as much additional territory as possible before the party is over.

A gradual lifting of the sanctions will be part of any long-term peace deal anyway, no matter if it's signed in 2 weeks or 6 months...
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Mar 13 2025 06:28pm
I mean, he isn't wrong, though. Of course Putin tries to reject the ceasefire proposal because it doesn't benefit him right now, and of course he tries to do so without drawing Trump's ire.




That's the thing, though: once a ceasefire deal has been struck, going back to warfare would be horrible optics, so there will be strong inertia toward the lines of a temporary ceasefire ultimately becoming the final lines in the end. Hence, Russia would really like to stall and delay a ceasefire for a couple more weeks while they have strong momentum on the battlefield, so that they can gobble up as much additional territory as possible before the party is over.

A gradual lifting of the sanctions will be part of any long-term peace deal anyway, no matter if it's signed in 2 weeks or 6 months...


it worked pretty well for the israeli's. just saying.
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Mar 13 2025 06:43pm
the whole notion of a ceasefire now is just stupid. there is literally no reason for russia to accept. i invite anyone to give a good reason and we can debate it.


It's an excuse for Trump to piss down his voters backs and tell them its water.
Foreign policy never changes no matter who is elected, this is all just theater to make an excuse for continuing to pay for the conflict.
Trump can sit back with baited breath and say "I Tried"
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Mar 14 2025 04:47am
Demian Hanul, a notorious far right activist from Odessa, has been reportedly shot dead in the street of his home town. Circulated online, a video of the assassination shows the killer shooting the injured victim in his head, with two bystanders watching.

Hanul has been involved in violent attacks and torture of people who opposed mobilisation. He also campaigned for the removal of Odessa’s landmark monuments remaining from the imperial and Soviet periods.
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Bizarre story out of Ukraine this morning.
A AFU military recruiter being called a 'Volunteer' and 'Ukrainian activist' Demyan Hanul was shot dead in central Odesa.
The Interior Minister of Ukraine is personally taking over the investigation. (I guess he's got nothing better to do.)
This Demyan Hanul guy was part of the violent counter protestors that burned like 50 peaceful protestors alive in a Union hall in 2014 because they were upset about the overthrow of the government.
So the Ukrainian government is making it seem like Russia did this, when it was probably because of his recent 'recruiting activities'
In one case from last year he published photos and videos of then bragged about publicly, one of the men he and his fellow recruiters kidnapped off the streets they decided to beat, tie to a tree then raped him, before handing him off for his compulsory military service.
Either way, he's being hailed as a hero by the Ukrainian press right now, despite never serving in a combat role outside of being a nazi goon for western Ukrainian nationalists.
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Mar 14 2025 09:40am
List of suspects in the murder of Hanul;

  • Every russian
  • Every ukrainian
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List of suspects in the murder of Hanul;

  • Every russian
  • Every ukrainian


Imagine being the parent of a 25 year old. He gets snatched off the street forcibly by a gang of armed thugs, half a year later you get news he died somewhere far away. That was your only child, you're 60. I'd be plotting murder at that point too.

There's a lot of these fat cat types that insulated themselves from getting sent into the meat grinder by being 'useful'. When the war's over, i can't imagine they'll be sleeping easy unless they find new homes in the west.

Not sure how true below is but found on twitter:

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The “activist” in Odesa, who had been helping forcibly mobilize local residents for months, passed away this morning. One of the locals took revenge for a conscripted relative who was killed at the front.


https://x.com/anatoliisharii/status/1900491868611252524

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 14 2025 10:43am
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Imagine being the parent of a 25 year old. He gets snatched off the street forcibly by a gang of armed thugs, half a year later you get news he died somewhere far away. That was your only child, you're 60. I'd be plotting murder at that point too.

There's a lot of these fat cat types that insulated themselves from getting sent into the meat grinder by being 'useful'. When the war's over, i can't imagine they'll be sleeping easy unless they find new homes in the west.

Not sure how true below is but found on twitter:



https://x.com/anatoliisharii/status/1900491868611252524


About time that the people of Ukraine rise up against these slavers
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Imagine being the parent of a 25 year old. He gets snatched off the street forcibly by a gang of armed thugs, half a year later you get news he died somewhere far away. That was your only child, you're 60. I'd be plotting murder at that point too.
There's a lot of these fat cat types that insulated themselves from getting sent into the meat grinder by being 'useful'. When the war's over, i can't imagine they'll be sleeping easy unless they find new homes in the west.
Not sure how true below is but found on twitter:
https://x.com/anatoliisharii/status/1900491868611252524


One of the accusations I've seen going around is that this guy's 'recruiters' in particular had a penchant for raping men before sending them to the front lines, and using the threat and coercion of abducting people to the front lines to extort bribes
There's some footage from him going to a gym and demanding free membership, then returning to beat up, rape and press into service the owner when he denied them
On top of that, we know he's a hardcore neo-nazi who is responsible for the massacre at odessa where he burned alive a group of loyalists in a trade union hall after the revolution
And that was just in the news yesterday because the EU court of human rights found Ukraine responsible for the murders, trying to cover them up and withhold the bodies. Then today the guy responsible for it got shot in the head


So pretty much everyone in Ukraine and Russia had a motive to want this guy dead. Western citizens being terrorized by him, eastern citizens being massacred by him, Russian leadership wanting to kill neo-nazis, Ukrainian leadership wanting to dispose of a liability
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