They never cared about truth. Only egotism and self interest.

I have already pointed out that it does not lead to worse outcomes. The United States compares favorably in almost all respects with the EU. What you'd like to do is compare the United States as a whole with the richest and most privileged regions in the Eurozone, and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The HDI of New England is akin to Norway, and that's been made possible without fantastic oil wealth, supporting almost triple the population, and all while contributing more than 2.5x what Norway does to the world's defense. But I wouldn't use New England as a representation of the United States, and nor should we use Norway (or Germany) as representations of a European "socialism" that has fared very poorly for vast tracts of the EU.

funny how that user keeps attempting claiming Norway, despite having no legitimate claim to it at all. just like his ancestors did

damn you're ignorant. germany is a country of more than 80 million people, it has rich and poor regions just like the US, and significantly fewer natural resources in comparison. the only reason you reject the comparison is because you know it's highly unfavourable.

you just don't want to face the obvious truth that the US could EASILY afford a better social net - but doesn't have one because of corrupt politicians. that's why you keep making excuses, keep rejecting comparisons, scramble to find things that make it look less bad, but avoid addressing this simple observation. you're not interested in discussing the topic, your only goal is to defend your country's shitty social policies. that's not patriotism, it's mindless jingoism, it's a mental illness.

I'm well aware that Germany has a quarter of the population concentrated in about 4% of the land area. I think you might be close to getting the point.

Of course the United States could afford more social spending, as I just said, it's the second richest society on earth. And it could afford more social spending without any sort of tax increase, if Germany and others were not freeloading on the backs of American taxpayers. But as Machiavelli noted centuries ago, love is transitory, and men are "ungrateful, fickle, dissembling... and covetous of gain". Perhaps a tariff is in order to ensure that the Germans finally do pay back what they owe, and preferably pay reparations to the Eastern European nations they so unfairly persecuted and destroyed.

And to the contrary, you are being the jingoist here. I'm not interested in setting up the American system as the end all be all of political thought. I'm merely explaining why your criticisms of the United States are so poorly thought out. If you define success as "social spending", then it's obvious that the United States will rank poorly, because the United States prefers a model which takes far less tax revenue as a percentage of GDP, and which therefore supports far lower levels of social spending. It prefers that model in part because of national temperament, and in part because Americans are concerned that excessive taxation and regulation leads to poor economic outcomes. And when we look at the Eurozone on the whole, we see that those fears are not without basis. Large tracts of the Eurozone are uncompetitive economically, and they certainly don't enjoy American levels of wealth. What you've done is focus on a handful of successes in extraordinarily favorable situations, and have ignored the multitude of mediocre failures who have adopted similar policies in different situations for whom the results have been completely unacceptable, at least from the American point of view.

well, you're half way there. now you just have to stop pretending that the US is some kind of sentient being that consciously chose the route of shitty social nets for some mysterious reason, and admit that it's your corrupt political system that got you there, and then you finally managed to fully concede what i've been telling you for days now.

because here's the truth: the american people as a whole would LOVE themselves some of that sweet "socialism" (more equality, healthcare, affordable education, worker protection) - they just struggle whenever someone puts that label on it because, just like you, they were conditioned / brainwashed by corporate propaganda to reject anything by that name. meanwhile your rich set up a political system in which both of your major parties are largely owned by corporate interest that objects to meaningful change to the benefit of the working class, and the opposition to that corrupt system is easily overshadowed by artificially created partisan disagreement. in a fundamentally undereducated and ignorant country like the US that's enough to protect the elites - especially if you sprinkle in some over the top jingoism to make dumb people immediately defend that system because they can't distinguish valid criticism from personal insult, and want to protect their fragile ego.

basically:

always nice to see a keyboard warrior with zero connection to the united states knowing exactly what the people there want in their lives