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If they do this, there will be a new slogan

USA : MAGA

Russia : MURA


:rofl:

Guess what does MURA means :lol:

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Economic leverage leads to other type of leverage, geopolitical and potentially even military. China needs a lot of commodities (food, feedstock, grain, meat, metals) etc. that they can import from SA, while simultaneously exporting cheap electronics, EV's, solar panels, and everything in between to SA. The military port was just an example, the real threat would be if all of this trade was going to be settled in Yuan rather than dollar. If that happens, that would be a gargantuan blow to the dollar, i don't think people understand that. It would also mean that those countries will start to 'listen' to those that have this leverage, possibly at detriment of our national interests. The point with China, is they can push us out because countries like Brasil find they are a better economic partner vs the US, god forbid same happens with Mexico. They don't even need to pick up arms or start wars, they can just offer better trade deals than we can, that's why i don't even know how we counter that.

But reality is, eastern Europe is not of critical importance to us. It was 50 years ago when the big bad beast was the USSR, not today. Pumping the Philippines or some other SE/East ally with defenses is way more critical than eastern Europe, like it's not even in the same ball park close. Yet here we are today the MSM screeching that we can't 'appease' dictators and we absolutely have to keep fighting in Ukraine. The longer this goes on the better for China, because it redirects valuable limited resources from where they need to go to basically waste, as if Russia is more than a regional power at this point in history.


My point is that it's not possible for China to gain that sort of leverage over Canada or Mexico. They're both well within the gravity well of the US economy. The US economy next door is too large a market for it not to be the dominant influence, except in a world where the China has won the GDP so decisively as to make the entire question moot. In any case, you'd see the United States "assert its interests" with Mexico well before it ever got to that point.

The US dollar has a pretty deep moat. For all of its problems as a reserve currency, there's no faith in any of the alternatives. You're either at the mercy of the Chinese government or the EU regulatory state. Neither has a great track record at growing / protecting individual wealth.

I agree that the EU is no longer strategically essential. At the end of WWII it represented the only other major base of industrial production in the world. Now there are many, and the EU regulatory state has created a lot of daylight between the European and American economies.


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My point is that it's not possible for China to gain that sort of leverage over Canada or Mexico. They're both well within the gravity well of the US economy. The US economy next door is too large a market for it not to be the dominant influence, except in a world where the China has won the GDP so decisively as to make the entire question moot. In any case, you'd see the United States "assert its interests" with Mexico well before it ever got to that point.

The US dollar has a pretty deep moat. For all of its problems as a reserve currency, there's no faith in any of the alternatives. You're either at the mercy of the Chinese government or the EU regulatory state. Neither has a great track record at growing / protecting individual wealth.

I agree that the EU is no longer strategically essential. At the end of WWII it represented the only other major base of industrial production in the world. Now there are many, and the EU regulatory state has created a lot of daylight between the European and American economies.


This is factual as of now. But protecting individual wealth the way the United States is handling can also lead to a lot of mischief.
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Trump tore up usmca that he pushed for himself you expect anyone in south America to be dumb enough to think the us will honour any agreements made down there?

The us has lost all credibility in dealing with other countries given that they'll reneg on deals they themselves made on a whim. America can't be trusted

Intelligent people thought the tarrif talks were too dumb to be real (you do have an econ degree iirc?) But sure enough they happened in his first term.

It's very unlikely Canada will be annexed but the damage to the alliance is done and this relationship is pretty much dead as Canada will need to extricate itself from over reliance on the us as millions of dumb people in large numbers can elect another moron at any time to create tough times in Canada.


Pure brainrot / programmed response.

Unlike other 4D chess allegations, this one is real. It's the long game, and I'm thrilled to make our vassals feel the pain so they get back in line. Yes you heard me, vassals. You're not allies. You do what the USA tells you.

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Trump tore up usmca that he pushed for himself you expect anyone in south America to be dumb enough to think the us will honour any agreements made down there?

The us has lost all credibility in dealing with other countries given that they'll reneg on deals they themselves made on a whim. America can't be trusted

Intelligent people thought the tarrif talks were too dumb to be real (you do have an econ degree iirc?) But sure enough they happened in his first term.

It's very unlikely Canada will be annexed but the damage to the alliance is done and this relationship is pretty much dead as Canada will need to extricate itself from over reliance on the us as millions of dumb people in large numbers can elect another moron at any time to create tough times in Canada.


The USMCA agreement has a built in review process in place (2026), which Trump is getting ahead of.

Tariffs are necessary when dealing with non-tariff trade barriers and other unfair trade practices. China has this down to a science. How on earth can you tariff China if they can simply move it through a third country (e.g. Canada / Mexico)? Those countries have to be on the same page, or you have to tariff them as well.

Canada will have an impossible time extricating itself from the giant market to its south. It would take coordinated government policy, and the Canadian public would have to accept far lower living standards for the foreseeable future. Goods elsewhere are worse or cost more. Energy is more expensive when shipped overseas. Canadian energy production is intertwined with the US, and would take capex and regulatory leaps to fix. I think you guys are trapped.
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Population_density_in_Ukraine.png/1200px-Population_density_in_Ukraine.png

The majority of Ukraine pre-civil war was populated in the east in that map, the same oblasts that didn't vote in the 2019 election because they were in a civil war.
You know, as is literally shown on the map you posted, those are the DPR, LPR & Crimea. In an election in 2019 in which the party of regions was banned and the people in the east not allowed to vote for their own candidates, not that they were voting anyways.
Do you understand that Ukrainians voted democratically for Viktor Yanukovych in the last election held with a unified country, and the more populous eastern oblasts were disenfranchised by the Maidan, and then given no representation in the following 'elections' even though Zelensky claims dominion over them.

This isn't a subtle distinction and its a kind of important one. If Zelensky was just saying western ukraine should be a sovereign republic that holds the lands west of the dnipro and maybe some strip between it and the dpr/lpr/crimea, he wouldn't be laying claim to a hostile people who have been fighting a civil war against him. Nor would there be any need for a war, because Ukrainians could live in peace as their own western nation while the separatist regions are absorbed into Russia- as they've already been. And at this point, the war is wrapping up and we're just left seeing whether the left can absorb the facts of reality and recognize what has happened


What civil war? Russia sent 70,000 mercenaries into Ukraine which massacred local eastern population and claimed Ukraine did it.
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What civil war? Russia sent 70,000 mercenaries into Ukraine which massacred local eastern population and claimed Ukraine did it.


And zelensky shoots lasers out of his eyes and has tea and crumpets on the moon
The DPR and LPR have been fighting a civil war against western ukraine since 2014 and it wasn't Russia who torched the union hall in Odessa
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And zelensky shoots lasers out of his eyes and has tea and crumpets on the moon
The DPR and LPR have been fighting a civil war against western ukraine since 2014 and it wasn't Russia who torched the union hall in Odessa


nah look it up you are clearly confused on the matter, no such thing as dprlpr are terrorist organizations funded by Russia and installed by Russia by force. Kinda like North Korea regime which was created by Russia and propped up by Chinese.
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