Yeah… Hard to believe until you meet them here.

Independent of his political leanings is Joe Rogan a (self proclaimed) idiot with no clue.

You clearly have no obligation to provide sources for your claims, makes me think that you just reiterate the talking points of your right wing bubble. Fair enough tbh, but makes the discussion pointless. Cheers

One last edit, since providing sources is fun: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/23/politics/government-spending-elon-musk-doge elon is also lying to you

This post was edited by SkySwallower on Feb 25 2025 05:04am

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dad-slams-vladimir-putin-releasing-34486176

Who cares who writes about it or highlights it in western media? Its real Russian court cases and events

Rhetorical question: if you went back to Russia, and your son was raped and then chocked to death by a special military operation hero, would you salute him and Putins fascist regime for releasing him 2 months later to go fight in Ukraine during red army parade some time later where he would proudly march with other Russian heroes? Anyhow stay safe friend, Russia very dangerous place lots of pedophiles on the prowl Putin pardoned, protect your family do not visit Russia. Its much better to just sit in EU Nato country that keeps sending weapon shipments to Ukraine. Russian pedophiles will be eradicated one drone /artillery shell at a time, there 100s of thousands of them out there so will take some time. Best wishes, non-gay/pedophile :kiss:

But I did provide you more than enough threads to pull if you wanted to learn about it. You just don’t want to. And on twitter you can see literal screenshots of official USAID documents. Can’t get closer to the source than this

The last link you provided sums your worldview nicely. You still believe CNN more than Joe Rogan or Elon Musk

We could have saved both our time if you just started with "I believe Musk and Rogan over journalism with cited sources", maybe do that next time.

Yeah, we are done here.

Musk has some serious drug abuse issues, he even wears huge glasses now to shield his eyes from the public..


Not sure a drug abuser can be trusted tbh

Both MSM and Musk aren't real sources because investigative journalism is dead, however you can insult or make fun of Musk as much as you want in X and even find leftist propaganda there. What does it tell me? Voice of the people isn't censored. I prefer that to the looked after thinking from MSM.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Feb 25 2025 05:36am

American democracy matters to me, sure. Ukrainian democracy is a Ukrainian problem. Democracy is premised on a shared civic spirit, to resolve disputes with all abiding by the vote, and the post war period has shown how that can't be forced on a population. Its not an ethos natural to european nations or asia or africa. You give a bunch of muslims true representation and they form a caliphate. Give the gazans and west bank the right to vote in the knesset and the jews would all be dead in a couple months. And right now the krauts are still arguing whether to ban the AfD or just try to stifle the will of the people by continuing to blockade the 2nd biggest party from all branches of power. Most of european history was ruled by aristocracies and monarchies, I don't blame them.

But I guess the difference here is: Zelensky never held any vote including east Ukraine. The last time all Ukrainians east and west voted together, they elected Yanukovych. Now Zelensky doesn't even hold elections in the west lmao. The referendums in east Ukraine just reflected the obvious and overwhelming sentiment of a people who were already in open warfare against the west. Ethnic Russians who were being shelled by the west voted to secede from the west, and eventually to willingly join Russia. All of which makes perfect sense for their self-interest.

So tell me what is the legitimacy of a dictator in a failed west Ukrainian junta claiming sovereignty over the eastern oblasts that his regime has never held for a day. He failed to take them by force, they were violently disenfranchised by the revolution. Putin publicly tried to negotiate a diplomatic solution prior to the invasion that would have given the DPR/LPR a degree of autonomy while still formally remaining within Ukraine's borders, which is sure a hell of a better deal than we're negotiating with him right now. Macron held a phone call in which he dismissed Russia's premise and declared separatists can't dictate terms and the west held the sole sovereign claim to all the borders (that it didn't control). Now Macron is off sulking and trying to vie for a seat at the table while the grownups slice up the country. Maybe he should have sent brigitte