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Feb 24 2025 05:05pm
Quote (Norlander @ Feb 25 2025 12:00am)
Great, then it's a lie, even acknowledged by Wikipedia. Sorry for the obvious example. I'm not very good with logic, as I simultaneously belong to genetic slaves, and evil colonizers; orcs with one shovel for three, as well as to a terrible existential threat that has so united my former compatriots, especially abroad, in their struggle for Ukraine within the 1991 borders (though the month isn't specified, otherwise it turns out that both Putin, who supposedly wants to restore the USSR, and Ukrainians are striving for the same thing). Well, here we go again with the duality. What’s wrong with me today?


You realize we do not have a groundtruth to compare those numbers to, right? We have a handful of different estimates in the same ballpark with Ukraine being the lowest and one wildly off by known liar Putin. That's why I said it is "implied" that Ukraine underreports given the wikipedia article.

I can see you are not good with logic, luckily I am here to help.

This post was edited by SkySwallower on Feb 24 2025 05:05pm
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Feb 24 2025 05:15pm
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US joins Russia, North Korea and Belarus to vote against UN resolution on Ukraine war

https://news.sky.com/story/us-joins-russia-north-korea-and-belarus-to-vote-against-un-resolution-on-ukraine-war-13316417

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This post was edited by babun1024 on Feb 24 2025 05:15pm
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Feb 24 2025 05:16pm
Quote (SkySwallower @ 25 Feb 2025 02:05)
You realize we do not have a groundtruth to compare those numbers to, right? We have a handful of different estimates in the same ballpark with Ukraine being the lowest and one wildly off by known liar Putin. That's why I said it is "implied" that Ukraine underreports given the wikipedia article.

I can see you are not good with logic, luckily I am here to help.


We are not comparing Russian and Ukrainian losses here. We are talking about deliberate underreporting, which means lying. So even I can help myself, and at the same time, help you.

Quote (babun1024 @ 25 Feb 2025 02:15)
https://news.sky.com/story/us-joins-russia-north-korea-and-belarus-to-vote-against-un-resolution-on-ukraine-war-13316417

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Remind me how to say "treason" in Ukrainian.

This post was edited by Norlander on Feb 24 2025 05:19pm
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Feb 24 2025 05:19pm
Quote (Norlander @ Feb 25 2025 12:16am)
We are not comparing Russian and Ukrainian losses here. We are talking about deliberate underreporting, which means lying. So even I can help myself, and at the same time, help you.


I know, russians have an estimate for Ukrainian losses that is much higher than anybody elses. Maybe try reading the article or at least show some numbers on what you base your opinion on.
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Feb 24 2025 05:24pm
Quote (SkySwallower @ 25 Feb 2025 02:19)
I know, russians have an estimate for Ukrainian losses that is much higher than anybody elses. Maybe try reading the article or at least show some numbers on what you base your opinion on.


Especially for you, I'm simplifying it to one sentence.
"We are talking about deliberate underreporting, which means lying."
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Feb 24 2025 05:28pm
Quote (Norlander @ Feb 25 2025 12:24am)
Especially for you, I'm simplifying it to one sentence.
"We are talking about deliberate underreporting, which means lying."


I will repeat myself once more: "We do not have a groundtruth". That means we do not know the accurate number, Ukraines reports might be true - they are slightly lower than the other cited reports in the article with the one outlier being the numbers reported by russia.

You seem to be sure that Ukraine underreports their losses, provide a source with numbers.
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Feb 24 2025 05:42pm
Quote (SkySwallower @ 25 Feb 2025 02:28)
I will repeat myself once more: "We do not have a groundtruth". That means we do not know the accurate number, Ukraines reports might be true - they are slightly lower than the other cited reports in the article with the one outlier being the numbers reported by russia.

You seem to be sure that Ukraine underreports their losses, provide a source with numbers.


Not only am I convinced that the losses are underreported, but the article you provided also suggests the same.
Thus, Zelensky lies, like any politician, including Trump, inflating or downplaying numbers to his gains. Such gains doesn't necessarily have to be personal.

This post was edited by Norlander on Feb 24 2025 05:43pm
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Feb 24 2025 05:46pm
Quote (SkySwallower @ 25 Feb 2025 00:28)
You seem to be sure that Ukraine underreports their losses, provide a source with numbers.


While this method of “false until proven otherwise” works well in science, where you can repeat the experiment as many times as needed to convince everybody, it doesn’t really work well when it comes to human matters, incomplete information and - especially - politics.

You kinda have to assume some level of bullshit to begin with or otherwise you end up far from reality.

Remember that the first victim of war is truth.

I think it’s reasonable to assume that Ukrainians try to paint a rosier picture of their situation than reality would suggest.

And so do Russians, in their media.
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Feb 24 2025 06:04pm
Quote (Norlander @ Feb 24 2025 11:24pm)
Especially for you, I'm simplifying it to one sentence.
"We are talking about deliberate underreporting, which means lying."


he might not understand your nuance btw.
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Feb 24 2025 06:43pm
Only 3 more years till Kiev comrades. Keep chucking em in the grinder.
We promise this time.

Vlad + Valery
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