Yes, that looks reasonable. Kharkiv, Zhaporizhzhia and Odessa are probably the big question marks in terms of whether they end up on the left or the right of the new border.

We live in a world where 15 different media outlets all have the same masters and all co-ordinate the same bastardized, propagandized bullshit stories at the same time like a bunch of fucking pathetic prostitutes who lie in exchange for money and have NO morals or ethics whatsoever.

So yes, I am allowed to fight back against this absolute degradation of the truth ANY way that I want, thank you very much.

Just because I defend Russia's actions in Ukraine doesn't mean that I'm a Kremlin agent. I do this because I actually make an effort to UNDERSTAND their position and because I CARE about the truth, something which YOU have consistently proven you do not care about in the slightest.

Hence why you believe the Kramatorsk, Bucha, and other false flags without even so much as questioning even the most outrageous and blatantly false lies for even a microsecond before you've already digested the latest propaganda story into your system and expressed your faux outrage and gotten your crocodile tears flowing.

And the fact that you believe a fucking American who sided with Donbass EIGHT YEARS ago is a Kremlin troll only further proves your level of absolute fucking brainwashing.

I sided with Russia because they are on the side of Donbass, whom I developed a bias in favor of eight years ago when it became clear the Obama-backed Nazi scum were carrying out warcrime after warcrime against them, and the media EVEN BACK THEN was covering for their sadistic and evil behavior. Something which you would have known EIGHT YEARS ago if you gave even a SINGLE FUCK about the truth, but clearly you don't, never have, and never will.

This post was edited by chopstickz777 on Apr 13 2022 12:06pm

i expect you to take me as seriously as i take your predictions.

Unfortunately, the matter is more serious. Putin won't trust or agree to any agreement with the west or Ukraine unitl his forces can't fight anymore. There is no stopping him now. Zelenksy thinks he's got a winning chance backed by the US so he won't surrender. The US isn't interested in peace at all. They're shipping as many weapons as possible. Secondary objective is to deplete Russian resources so they can't start a fight anymore. So, worst case scenario, the war will go on until Ukraine is completely destroyed and doesn't exist as a nation anymore. I'm talking about Stalin like measures of population displacement and repopulation of the area. Best case scenario would be Russia not being able to continue their attack. Short term, Russia is going to attack Mykolaev, then proceed to Odessa. This time around, they aren't going to take prisoners.
All countries supplying weapons to Ukraine are actually dumping their outdated systems to buy new arms. The exceptions are anti tank and anti air weapons. Ukraine is asking for "heavy" weapons but you need to school their soldiers in their use. A leopard from Germany is just another vehicle if used by untrained personnel. US Jets can't be operated without training. Supplying them to Ukraine doesn't make sense. They also need heavy artillery to keep Russians away from their positions and to defend their anti air capabilities against bombers. Their best 20000 troops are located in Donbass area (to be encircled soon), they're going to be outnumbered 5 to 1. All in all, Ukraine is fu**** one way or another. Whatever will be left can't be described as a "win" or "loss".

This post was edited by babun1024 on Apr 13 2022 12:13pm

For India and China, 20 to 25 years back if the situation arises like now.
They would have bent. But not anymore.

Just to be fair, I hope you can see from my point of View in Asia.
There are lots of people and leaders in the West who still holds such views " Our list of Demands ".
That being said this is a very uncomfortable and demeaning narrative.

India has been colonized and " robbed " by the West, Well England to be fair for a few hundred years.
During the late Qing Dynasty in China. The West have done the same to China as well, if you would like to know more about it.

India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_of_1876%E2%80%931878


China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_War

These memories and history are still extremely fresh on their minds.
The Western colonization has not only brought this two Asian countries down to their knees, they have dehumanize them much like the African Slaves that were brought to the USA.

If a narrative from the West is to dominate this two nations right now, not only will they fight back, the narrative will also give rise to extreme nationalism.
India is no longer what it used to be and China too.

You will find them in certain form a rather worthy foe in this current geopolitical climate.

The rise and fall of Rome, The rise of the Ottomans, The Rise of the Tang Dyansty ...... All powerful nations and Dynasty will experience it's golden ages and rise at one point of time or another.
India and China and the "East " is current on the rise now after a few hundred of years of being dominated by Western powers.

USA and the West cannot dominate forever, they will experience decline and it seems to me now is about time. The only way to keep the world running, peaceful is to learn to co exist someway or another and try respect each other's boundaries and culture. Thats just my honest point of view.
I mean it is difficult for the West , I will take USA for example, to force an ideologue or "culture" onto the Chinese or India who actually has a few thousand years of uninterrupted culture building.

If you were to run around yelling about how every black person loves chicken and is constantly eating watermelons, you would be called out for it quickly and branded a racist.

But engaging in similar tropes towards Russians is not only OK, but encouraged in our society.

Russia has become THE example of George Orwell's 5 minutes of hate that he created in 1984. Only instead of 5 minutes of daily hate, now it's constant hate, 24/7, all the time, and anybody who disagrees is a Russian agent, hell in Europe you can go to jail for FIFTEEN YEARS for disagreeing with this 24/7 hate.

And you don't see a problem with that?

Then you're a part of the fucking problem.

Complete fantasy. Why would you use a map from 12 years ago when so much has changed since then? That's like looking at the 2008 Presidential election and saying YUP, INDIANA IS A SWING STATE!!

Frankly, no one is going to give a shit about "what the people want" when drawing these boundaries. If Russia controls a particular region, they won't give it up unless they are compensated appropriately (i.e. lifting sanctions, water rights, etc.) I see no reason why the "might makes right" principle won't apply and we'll just have to wait for tens of thousands of soldiers on each side to die.

That's a simple fact. Black people love fried chicken and watermelon because they are delicious. It's not racist to point that out.

Also, you've shown time after time that you don't know the first thing about Russian culture. You're just a conspiracy loving redneck with no appreciation of ACTUAL Russian culture or an understanding of the Russian zeitgeist. Have you even read Russian authors like Bulgakov? Are you familiar with Russian plays? Russian children's animation? Do you understand how Central Asia and the Caucuses have influenced Russian cuisine? Until you've lived and breathed those things, you have no room to talk about Russian people. You can pretend that you're superior to other Americans but you're actually no different than them. You're just as clueless about other cultures as the rest of your hick brethren.

I'm curious if will understand this play on words:
How do you tell if a Ukrainian is cold or hungry? You can't.

It's broad strokes. You could look at an electoral map of Democrat vs Republican from 12 years ago and probably make a decent guess where the Republican/Democrat divide would happen today. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing.

I agree with your second point but it's a lot easier to split off a new spin-off country from Ukraine if it's made up of areas which historically leaned Russian and have 15-30% ethnic Russians to begin with versus Western Ukraine where that ethnic population is <1-2%.

@playonwords, idk sounds like some sort of morbid death saying because of how many died historically?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 13 2022 12:30pm

You can definitely get part of it. For example, the coastal areas would be Democrat and the South is mostly Republican. However, you'd miss a lot of things as well such as Rust Belt realignment, how urban centers are becoming more dominant and affected statewide races, etc. Anyway, I don't think we're going to be able to look at ethnic breakdowns in a vacuum because the horrors of war are going to greatly affect people's opinions. For example, even though there are plenty of ethnic Russians in Kharkiv, I doubt that they will forgive Russia for what they've done. Likewise, I don't think the people of Zaporizhzhia are going to be forgiving of Russia either. On the other hand, the people of Crimea are likely fine with what's going on. I really hope this war doesn't last until winter because shit is going to be really fucked up if that happens.

As for the play on words:
Say, "I'm hungry" in Russian and "I'm cold." Think about the difference in proper Russian and then how the Ukrainian accent deals with that difference.