Quote (El1te @ 19 Feb 2025 19:49)

Yes, don't forget the sham impeachment based on his perfectly fine phone call asking to investigate Burisma corruption. Vindman is a traitor to the USA who instead had loyalty to the corrupt Ukraine regime.

These same people victimized Trump. He has the right now to destroy them for it

Quote (Malopox @ Feb 19 2025 07:12pm)

On the other hand Ze has been pretty deliberate in his messaging to Trump. Calling him out in public was always going to prompt this kind of response. I assume they've workshopped that having Trump take his mask off now, helps Ze push the Euros along.

Quote (ferdia @ 19 Feb 2025 12:30)

i think its a tactical blunder. Trump is like a current, you either get on board or you get out of the water.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 19 2025 12:52pm)

Let's see... Insists that sovereign Republics that declared Independence before he ever took office are really part of his country? Check. Used his military to attempt to subjugate those republics? Check. Went to full scale war when a neighbor provided military assistance to those republics? Check. Immediately started Conscripting his countrymen and forcing them to fight the neighboring country? Check. Suspended elections to prevent any possibility of being removed from power? Check. Attempted to force people not to speak a language (Russian) that has been spoken in the region for thousands of years? Check. Has jailed and killed journalists who attempt to publish material critical of his regime? Check. Accused by his allies, friends, funders and supporters within his own government of syphoning off mass amounts of funds from foreign aid for his personal benefit? Checck.

Which part doesn't sound like a dictator? I'm mean, if you claim he's not, I'm down to listen.



So Zelensky's office, the same office that touted the "Ghost of Kiev" for nearly a year when it was completely fake, is now telling us that Zelensky is seeing a surge of support?

[x] Doubt

Quote (Malopox @ 19 Feb 2025 20:12)

On the other hand Ze has been pretty deliberate in his messaging to Trump. Calling him out in public was always going to prompt this kind of response. I assume they've workshopped that having Trump take his mask off now, helps Ze push the Euros along.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 19 Feb 2025 20:37)

Zelensky told us right from the start that this IS WWIII. Am I the only person who is observing what appears to be an attempt to START WWIII, and drag Europe in whether it wants to participate or not?

Quote (kayko @ 19 Feb 2025 13:02)

He's been trying to drag Europe into this war for 3 years now. Not gonna happen.

Quote (Goomshill @ 19 Feb 2025 17:47)

History, particularly recent history isn't a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact. The status quo ante was Ukraine as a functional and legitimate democracy prior to the 2014 Maidan, the proximate spark of the war.

American patriots are people who care about American interests not Ukrainian interests. We got led into this war by a bunch of Ukrainian ultranationalists haunting the Biden white house and lining Biden's bank account courtesy of Burisma. Doesn't sound like American interests to me. Very Ukrainian patriotic, for sure. Proud patriots who wanted to cast off the grip of Russia and secure a sovereign western Ukrainian state with self determination for everyone west of the Dnipro and for everyone to the east well, like I said, not an American concern

We're weakening our geopolitical position by antagonizing Russia when it could serve as an aligned power against China, our actual rival. We're bogging down the entire western world in costly war while China expands its tendrils across Asia and Africa. And worse yet, we're losing our proxy war. Losing influence in the Sahel to Russia let alone China. We aligned South Africa and India and a swathe of South America against us as we failed to bully them into an economic blockade and instead sabotaged the petrodollar as a reserve currency by doing a rug pull with its inviolate nature. American taxpayers shouldn't have to give a shit about some eastern european slog where the poorest country in europe is a fighting a dumb revolution to overthrow the democracy they used to have and put a dictator in place- but when we're propping up literal Nazi war criminals and undermining our own geopolitical interests at the same time, actual American patriots should be calling for a new round of Nuremberg trials

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 19 2025 11:37am)

In all honesty I'm mildly concerned about Europe right now. On the one hand, you have Ukraine attacking not merely Russian targets, but entire other nations in an attempt to disrupt the oil trade. Other nation is a Russian ally? Sweet!

Europe's response? YAY Zelenski.

If we look at it from the Russian perspective, they now see not only Crimea and the Donbas republics being attacked, they see themselves being attacked directly, AND their allies being attacked.

Zelensky told us right from the start that this IS WWIII. Am I the only person who is observing what appears to be an attempt to START WWIII, and drag Europe in whether it wants to participate or not?

The more interesting feature is the timing. Does Zelensky believe that if he gets the EU involved in a war against Russia and it's Allies that the US will step in? Because from the noises Trump has been making, that seems unlikely.

If Europe is smart, they'll distance themselves from Zelensky. Then, Europe has never been smart, so I expect we'll see a true conflict soon.

Quote (El1te @ 19 Feb 2025 13:13)

@ bold, this seems to be the idea. Provoke a war so daddy can step in to protect his kids. Europeans have a psychological dependency on the USA, much like an infant to a mother, because they've been a dependent since the end of the war.

Their whole shtick is trying to provoke an attack to trigger article 5, forgetting that article 5 is words on a piece of paper, not a shield

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 19 Feb 2025 21:08)

That's been my opinion thus far. Biden was happy to push towards a WWIII scenario with Zelensky

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 19 Feb 2025 21:08)

If, however, the EU backs Ukraine's play in attacking allies of Russia? It could very well end up being the next European war. Only this time, it's unlikely the US is going to back the EU.