d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Russia / Ukraine
Prev1472147224723472447255001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 9,693
Joined: Mar 2 2006
Gold: 1,590.00
Feb 19 2025 04:19am
Where are our local warmongers by the way?

The silence is deafening.
Member
Posts: 19,309
Joined: Feb 24 2018
Gold: 9,765.50
Feb 19 2025 05:19am
Ukraine needs to hold new presidential and parliamentary elections asap once a peace agreement has been signed, no doubt about that. I would even argue that once an agreement has been negotiated, it should be confirmed by a referendum. This would also take the winds out of the sails of any radical ultranationalist groups trying to coup again the government, or spinning some sort of stab-in-the-back myth after the war.


All of these points are a different thrust, however, from the recent Russian talking point - which Trump seems to think has merit - about Zelensky not being a legitimate/legitimized negotiator for the Ukrainian side right now, during the upcoming negotiations.


That was my point long time ago. Whatever the agreement is going to be Ukrainians have to vote to make it legitimate. Zelensky isn't the man to decide for all Ukrainians whether they agree with the terms unless he is elected again. For that, you need to hold elections. I expect temporary ceasefire during elections then the ratification of the real deal afterwards.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Feb 19 2025 05:20am
Member
Posts: 50,712
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 4,861.00
Feb 19 2025 05:40am
Where are our local warmongers by the way?

The silence is deafening.


I've been asking the same questions and making the same arguments since before this war even began and the warmongers have never had any answer to them but to try to silence people or scream disinformation. We backed and micromanaged a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014 that overthrew a relatively stable and legitimate democracy and replaced it with a puppet state, sparking the war. We tried to seize a country that had been in Russia's sphere of influence since the time of Catherine the Great. We were unwilling from all of 2014 to 2021 and now in 2025 to invest the direct military strength required to hold our ill-gotten gains, but Russia was absolutely willing to intervene directly to secure its own back yard. American politics at the highest level were infected by the pernicious whims of ukrainian ultranationalists who led their people to a self-destructive civil war, zealots who hated Russia enough they'd fight to their own deaths rather than live under Putin's grip.

At every step this war was predictable and explicable. And even now with the end plain to see, the neoliberal world still wants to live in their alternative facts bubble and act like Trump is saying that water is dry and fire is cold when he says Ukraine never should have started this war. And its just fitting that he's simply sidelining and ignoring them. Russia held a showcase of all the progress made in rebuilding Mariupol and the EU banned it from being displayed. The EU held a summit with the "mayor in exile" of Mariupol and discussed how they would finance the reconstruction of a city they don't hold, by someone who will never govern it, with money they don't have. Trump is letting them LARP all they want in Paris right now while he goes out and earns that Nobel prize that he'll never get
Member
Posts: 78,723
Joined: Nov 30 2008
Gold: 493.00
Feb 19 2025 08:29am
Where are our local warmongers by the way?

The silence is deafening.


Silent? This thread is full of people supporting the orcs
Member
Posts: 39,633
Joined: Nov 16 2005
Gold: 13.37
Feb 19 2025 08:36am
Radio Liberty. "Beware of elections." French-born former President of Georgia, Salomé) Zourabichvili on the elections in Ukraine.



This post was edited by Norlander on Feb 19 2025 08:37am
Member
Posts: 21,485
Joined: Jul 21 2005
Gold: 843.40
Feb 19 2025 09:19am
I've been asking the same questions and making the same arguments since before this war even began and the warmongers have never had any answer to them but to try to silence people or scream disinformation. We backed and micromanaged a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014 that overthrew a relatively stable and legitimate democracy and replaced it with a puppet state, sparking the war. We tried to seize a country that had been in Russia's sphere of influence since the time of Catherine the Great. We were unwilling from all of 2014 to 2021 and now in 2025 to invest the direct military strength required to hold our ill-gotten gains, but Russia was absolutely willing to intervene directly to secure its own back yard. American politics at the highest level were infected by the pernicious whims of ukrainian ultranationalists who led their people to a self-destructive civil war, zealots who hated Russia enough they'd fight to their own deaths rather than live under Putin's grip.

At every step this war was predictable and explicable. And even now with the end plain to see, the neoliberal world still wants to live in their alternative facts bubble and act like Trump is saying that water is dry and fire is cold when he says Ukraine never should have started this war. And its just fitting that he's simply sidelining and ignoring them. Russia held a showcase of all the progress made in rebuilding Mariupol and the EU banned it from being displayed. The EU held a summit with the "mayor in exile" of Mariupol and discussed how they would finance the reconstruction of a city they don't hold, by someone who will never govern it, with money they don't have. Trump is letting them LARP all they want in Paris right now while he goes out and earns that Nobel prize that he'll never get


It's kind of like the EU claiming they're going to give Ukraine 700 Billion. First, highly doubtful. Second, the money won't win a war. They need weapons, ammunition, and troops. The west doesn't have 700 Billion worth of weapons to sell. Who does? Russia, China, and Iran. In short, if the EU were serious about backing Ukraine, they would be ramping up weapons production. But they haven't. 3 years of war, and Europe hasn't considered weapons manufacture to be a priority.
Member
Posts: 9,693
Joined: Mar 2 2006
Gold: 1,590.00
Feb 19 2025 09:59am
Is there any truth to Donald Trump’s extraordinary and, to many, highly offensive comments apparently blaming Volodymir Zelensky for starting the war?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-zelensky-have-made-a-deal-to-stop-the-war/
Member
Posts: 9,693
Joined: Mar 2 2006
Gold: 1,590.00
Feb 19 2025 10:13am
Ukraine attacked Kazakhstan oil infrastructure disabling Kropotkinskaya pumping station of the Caspian Pipeline Consortium cutting off ability of Kazakhstan to export crude via Novorossiysk. Some added color for the talks in Saudi Arabia.

https://i.imgur.com/1SJZyi7.jpeg


Pipeline drone strike set to wipe out up to third of Kazakhstan’s oil exports

https://www.intellinews.com/russia-says-pipeline-drone-strike-set-to-wipe-out-up-to-third-of-kazakhstan-s-oil-exports-367716/

Zelensky gaining allies by the hour
Member
Posts: 27,150
Joined: Nov 24 2006
Gold: 253,169.00
Feb 19 2025 10:13am
Is there any truth to Donald Trump’s extraordinary and, to many, highly offensive comments apparently blaming Volodymir Zelensky for starting the war?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-zelensky-have-made-a-deal-to-stop-the-war/


He is putins puppet.
Member
Posts: 9,693
Joined: Mar 2 2006
Gold: 1,590.00
Feb 19 2025 10:14am
He is putins puppet.


Thanks for sharing your opinion about Trump.

What do you think about the context of the article and Zelenskyy’s 2019 negotiations with Azov?
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1472147224723472447255001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll