Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 20 2020 06:45pm)
LOL thats not what happened at all.
statements waiting on investigation to finish
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=79161209&f=119Quote (djman72 @ Jul 20 2018 12:06pm)
I'll bite - I don't think that any collusion happened. That being said......... ANY level of actual collusion is unacceptable. If Trump was complicit in any degree and didn't report it/act accordingly, then he should be impeached immediately and put on trial. I'll stand next to you all with my torch and pitchfork.
The End.
Quote (Cambridge @ Jul 20 2018 12:14pm)
I’m honestly up in the air about the whole thing.
If it is proven that they actually hacked the vote and he knew then he needs to be thrown in jail for treason.
If it’s proven (which it basically already has been) that the vote was simply swung via social media to some extent then that’s on us as citizens for believing all the shit we read online and allowing it to influence our vote. That to me is no different than all of the bullshit defamation ads for every candidate that you see on TV, and we don’t seem to care about those. They’re put up by lobbyists and special interests who have skin in the game and don’t give two shits about our nation as a whole. So why do we care about what basically amounts to the same thing happening via social media? Is it just because it was another country swinging it and not our own degenerate elitists?
I think our political system is honestly so far down the shitter that there’s really no way to fight fair at that level and expect to come out on top. Does that make it right? Hell no, but candidates are going to do whatever they need to do to win, and we can only hope that once they get there that they have our best interests in mind for the greater good.
Quite honestly, I dislike that it was Trump who benefitted from this supposed collusion. I think he’s tool of a human being that seems to be more concerned with his interests and the interests of those immediately surrounding him, as has been shown by most of his appointees, but if the only alternative was putting Hillary in office I’d rather see a giant pile of steaming horse shit and watch the whole thing go up in flames.
So everyone keeps saying that they’re all Trump ‘cultists’ when the reality is that most of the people who voted for him didn’t vote FOR him, they voted AGAINST Hillary, and with our current system that was really the only plausible option. Vote for anyone else and lower the margin of the other major parties candidate and she wins by default. The system is fucked, and we’re all just along for the ride led to believe we have some influence on the course as we go when in reality the whole thing has been mapped out years ahead of time and the shit we holler from the back seat doesn’t even matter.
All I know is that my life didn’t change under Bush, it didn’t change under Obama except that I pay a few hundred extra bucks for healthcare I never used to begin with, and so far it hasn’t changed under Trump except that I get a few hundred extra bucks in my paycheck that I’ll most likely have to give right back to the government at the end of the year and now I don’t have to wait six months to get a medical appointment at a VA Clinic.
I still have to get up and go to work everyday, and as far as I know the whole world hasn’t caught on fire in my 29 years.
Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 20 2018 05:30pm)
I don't care, to be honest, but if Trump is compromised and can't stand up to Putin, he must resign.
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jul 21 2018 02:01pm)
this depends what is defined as "collusion". as almost anything is defined as collusion right now.
discussing israel's fate, not collusion.
killing off hillary before the 2016 election, collusion.
since only 1 of those happened and i have not yet seen evidence of any major foul plays between trump and russia.... i'm opting out of collusion being a thing.
in short, it depends what dirt you "might" find. it would have to be a big deal for me to consider it a big deal though.
if it was a big deal, i still doubt anything would happen this term. it would definitely lose him the votes for 2020
i just find it funny that so many think this would be 1-sided though.
i don't think most of you understand how much money was illegally cycled to clinton candidate. it looked legal spending it, but a lot of that money was obtained illegally. including from russian interests.
personally, i would be disheartened and really weigh the situation for 2020 if undeniable proof is found incriminating trump for this instance.
i'd rather see someone admit to it, than lie about it and get caught.
what is considered collusion though should really be weighed.
everyone entering for presidency has their own agenda. this agenda stretches past out borders.
every candidate will have support from other countries. it of course, matters to the world what happens.
in a gray area, i would accept "collusion" as a high possibility, (although not proven) but i would consider it to apply to both sides.
as an example, the pope was highly critical of trump taking office and voiced his favor of hillary.
is this considered collusion since the media was used to promote clinton from outside of the country?
i think not.
if criminal acts are found, we will have to judge it by what happened. not judge it by the word "collusion"
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 21 2018 02:28pm)
Is that true? Putin interfered with the 2016 election because of Hillary Clinton's actions in 2011?
I agree that collusion is unlikely, but what about obstruction of justice or conspiracy? Keep in mind that Watergate took over 2 years to unravel. The Special Counsel was appointed 14 months ago.
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=76154721&f=119Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 10 2017 03:36pm)
The Russian allegations are #FakeNews
A full investigation will prove it all to be lies peddled by bitter leftists.
Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 27 2017 06:39pm)
Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 27 2017 12:30pm)
Investigation launched into Flynn regarding illegally received foreign money.
This is a legitimate problem/investigation.
i'm going to end here for now. i've bookmarked in a separate folder multiple threads related to this. as you can see with this small sample, most "right-siders" were skeptical of everything leaked. (with good reason especially using hind-sight) still, they/I believed an investigation would "clear" Trump.
off-topic. reading back, i miss beo
wait edit 2: i wanted something from icemage. which is oh so bountiful for the picking
Quote (IceMage @ May 6 2017 02:45pm)
It's going to be so sweet if this turns into something serious, and the #fakenews crowd can finally fuck off.
This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Oct 20 2020 06:33pm