Glot... the US ambassador to Ukraine was briefed that the Vice President's son has a job in Ukraine.

In case you didn't know, this is what an effective cabinet and state department looks like.

Holding up financial aid pending the investigation of your political enemies is very different Glot.

We could honestly use some brains back in the White House.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 16 2019 07:58am

In her OWN words she was being coached on what to say in order to get the job. The point here is that she claimed "neither he nor the previous Administration, ever raised the issue of Burisma or Hunter Biden with me". Which was untrue.



/e Her opening statement was UNTRUE. During testimony she admitted that she had previously been coached.

I actually listened to the whole testimony on Friday. I heard her make that admission, and I heard when she read the opening statement.

This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 16 2019 08:04am

Ok. You're getting real excited about this.

If Trump has anything exculpatory he should produce it.

I think that Trump should do what HE wants, regarding this impeachment crap. The Dems obviously want to, in public, put THEIR spin on everything. Maybe Trump feels that providing anything other than the transcripts, which in any normal situation would be enough to exonerate him.... would just be adding fuel to the Dems fire.

Which ofc, is exactly why Pelosi suggested that in the first place.


/e Btw, I don't GET excited about things like this.

This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 16 2019 08:17am

He does what he wants regardless of what his experts and team suggest. He is an extreme narcissist, and that will not change

That is why we need to do things like subpoena his tax return since he can't do the minimum on his own without coercement. And the way he operates, like a criminal/gangster, let's be honest, that needs to be looked at.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 16 2019 08:21am

EVERYone does what they want regardless of what their advisors say. That's just human nature.

As for the tax returns... I know of no rule, actual or just of common decency that requires ANYONE to provide their tax returns to someone who does NOT have their best interest at heart. And in the political world, even your friends my not be "on your side".

It's almost like I can SEE the newspaper or website (left leaning) that you are reading. You're even making their points in approximately the same order.

the question is if Trump offered Zelensky the WH visit with or without strings attached. in the second call, it sounds as if the offer of a WH visit was conditional. so when another phone call becomes public in which there was a clearly no-strings-attached offer of such a visit, how can this be anything but positive for Trump's case?



imagine a court case about domestic violence. a neighbor is questioned and testifies: "in july, I heard them have a very loud argument. then, although I couldnt see it through the curtains, it sounded as if someone was getting beat up". then, the defendant's lawyer asks about what the neighbor saw in april, and the neighbor says "in april, they were also arguing loudly, but I could see through the (this time unconcealed) window that it was all verbal, no physical violence included".

sure, the second testimony doesnt exclude the possibility that the dude beat up his wife in july. but it clearly is good news for the defendant since it goes against establishing a pattern of violence and increases the plausibility of the positive interpretation of the july events.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 16 2019 08:31am

For tax returns: nobody is forced to become a public servant in America.

Last paragraph: your imagination is running wild, I don't read a lot of left leaning web sites, I usually come here and see what you guys post. I sit and watch for awhile, drink it in. I'm pretty moderate and pragmatic in my judgment. I don't think I've been unfair to Pres Trump at all. If you minimize the Bill Taylor testimony you aren't thinking or only care about Trump winning and not gross abuse of power because ends justify the means. You keep posting shitty memes suggesting they Trump is protecting American families etc..nobody believes that.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 16 2019 08:32am

There is NO law that says, he has to provide his tax returns. You KNOW this already. This tax return convo has occurred 100 times already. No matter how many more times it recurs, will not change the fact that there is NO law requiring ANYone in public or private, to have to provide their tax returns.


/e Next up, the "every other president has done it", argument.

This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 16 2019 08:38am

Trump himself promised repeatedly to release his tax returns when he was on the campaign trail. That he didnt looks very bad, irrespective of the question if he is legally obliged to provide them or not.