The jig is up. Brutal day for the pro-Ukraine war party. Biden's "strategic ambiguity" was always aimed at Ukrainians rather than Putin, to give Ukraine false hope that if they fought & died there was the ambiguous promise of American/NATO rescue. That's over. Now comes the ugly.

There could be civil war in Ukraine when Zelensky is removed. I think Arestovych is well positioned and with the amount of pods he's doing these days, I think he's angling for it.

But his wife is Russian and he's no time for Bandera lovers hiding in Budenets.

Tough times ahead for Ukraine.

-10+ million people left and will not return
- 1 million dead, wounded and missing
- 25% of territories lost
- debt to the USA $500 billion
- resources will be taken to pay off the debt.
- Infrastructure is destroyed, bombed and mined.
- economy dead

Potuzhno.


This post was edited by Malopox on Feb 12 2025 01:05pm

Ukraine left her controlling husband, Russia, to build a new future. She found a new partner, America, who promised to protect her and help her stay independent. At first, America showered her with gifts—money, weapons, and support—helping her stand up to her ex-husband. But over time, Ukraine realized these gifts weren’t truly free. America now demands that she hand over $500 billion worth of her valuables (raw materials). She’s exhausted from the constant fighting with Russia, but America, who once stood by her side, is now looking at the door. He’s starting to hint that she’ll have to deal with her ex on her own. Now, Ukraine is trapped—her ex-husband is still furious, her new partner is losing interest, and she’s left wondering if she made the right choice or if she was just used in a bigger game. Meanwhile, the neighbors (the rest of the world) are watching, some cheering, some shaking their heads, and some just waiting to see who gets the last word.

Holy shit Ukraine is getting wrecked even harder than I expected with their resources literally taken from them.

Lets see if our resident NATO shills return to the topic to comment. I'd love to know if they still think it was all worth it...

Their argument is total shit at this point. well w/e. 90% of Ukrainian media is funded by the US. that is so messed up.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 12 2025 01:22pm

Ukrainian army is completely funded by the West too, Ukrainian people were unable to vote for another president because the guy in power who's totally not a dictator didn't want elections and made it impossible to negotiate with the Russians.

Messed up is an understatement IMO

This post was edited by Djunior on Feb 12 2025 01:35pm

Bless

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 12 2025 01:48pm

Ukraine failed the wisdom test, they unironically believed the propaganda coming from the old American regime and now got burned for it.

Are you really that surprised though?
Western Ukriane is full of really dumb people who overthrew their government because the government chose not to agree to a restrictive 'green new deal' burdened trade deal with the EU.
They thought a trade deal, was the same thing as EU membership, and free travel anywhere in Europe for employment.
They chimped out and started this whole conflict over that with just a meager $5 billion dollars in USAID help.
I think at the time it was reported they were paying maidan protestors $200 a day to show up and riot.

In fairness Ukraine was overrun with all those US NGO's (for years) brainwashing the people. The promise of a better life simply hid the harsh reality of the real world. By all accounts they are still living in that dream. I dont think they will ever wake up from the dream, just look at those posting in this topic, they never ever changed their tune, not understanding some basic realities -

The US wanted Nato in Ukraine.
The US ignored all Russia's warnings, and told Russia that they did not care about Russian Interests.
The world is not fair, its ruled by might is right. The current US does not want WW3 so the natural thing to do is to leave Ukraine.
Ukraine is in a worse situation now then it has been in ever. It is about to prostitute itself by giving away billions of raw materials, paying for "AID" that was never free.

A total joke. They were tricked to go on a mad adventure by a companion that basically screwed them over and left them alone in the forest.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 12 2025 02:05pm

Yeah I was just quoting the amount stated by Victoria Nuland, she didn't break it down if it were over time or new spending.
Ukraine was a honey pot for double agents in the Soviet Union after WW2 that's why none of the Ukrainian nationalists were tried for war crimes and genocide after WW2.