Quote (ferdia @ Apr 13 2022 11:04am)
my bad my bad. But to use that analogy, Say the father is kicking the family dog. While the whole family might give out to the father, if the father still kicks the dog and there is no evidence to suggest he stopped and wont do it again, he is a hypocrite to give out to the son when he discovered his son also kicking dogs. If the family are no longer giving out to the father for kicking the dog then they are also complicit. The father reminding the son not to kick dogs just because the son is now also sleeping with the neighbor is lame.
Gitmo was opened in 2002 and is still open therefore its not a historic non issue but rather one conveniently forgotten. ie. dad is still kicking the dog.
Back to the analogy: better to give out to the son for his mistakes when they occur, for the father to stop making mistakes himself, then to ground the son for those pre-existing mistakes just because he also found the used condoms in his sons bedroom.
i liked that picture. very astute!
the expression "lean on" infers that 1 party will put pressure on the other. just clarifying.
From what I read it looks like Le Pen has once again failed in her endeavor, else am I wrong? happy to be corrected on this. for sure if she won it would change some things in france.
GITMO itself isn't a human rights issue, it was the torture and treatment there of the prisoners that was an issue. it could still be going on.
but to further the analogy if i am at a restaurant and i see a man beating his wife, and OJ Simpson stands up to tell him to stop, i'm not going to say "well OJ killed his wife so clearly he can still beat her".
our govt calling out human rights issues is a good thing, objectively and unquestionably, even if they have human rights issues to sort out as well.
the problem with whataboutism isn't doing it, its using it as an excuse not to change. if India wants to say "ok we'll work on it but also you should work on _____", fine. if they want to just point to other bad things to justify their bad thigs thats unacceptable.