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Feb 2 2025 04:05am
Don't know much about Zelenski, nor am I supporter of one politician or the other. Only dislike fascist dictators like Putin and Kim. By now one should know politicians make promises they do not intend to keep, for example:
Trump promised to end Ukraine war in 24 hours.
Putin promised to raise Russia's average salary to match that of Portugal, yet here we are today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edB91WRaZNA

Can you imagine being the most resource rich country in the world and dreaming about quality of life that people enjoy in Portugal that has... well compared to Russia, pretty much nothing.
Maybe having same fascist dictator in power is not that great after all?


Summary of Putins rule over 30 years in rural Russia not very impressive... Soviet infrastructure has rusted away/fallen apart and he provided nothing in return..


Russian media can and does report negatively on Putin every day.

Russian companies can and do do business with entities that are considered "adversarial" to Putin every day.

Russia has not suspended elections a single time under Putin. Turns out, he's just that popular.

Ukrainian media can NOT report negatively on Zelenski. Ukrainian companies can not do business with entities adversarial to zelenski. Zelenski is currently in office because he suspended all democracy and declared himself tyrant.

You're barking up the wrong tree. Your personal thoughts on Putin are irrelevant. The Russian people support him. Good, bad, or indifferent, he is their DEMOCRATIC CHOICE for President/Czar. Zelenski? Does not allow democracy, OR choice.

Keep babblilng on about "fascism" fren. I'm sure somebody will fall for the bullshit.
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Feb 2 2025 04:05am
Ukraine has the same situation but it's called democracy :) Guess such democracy isn't any better than Korean People Democratic Republic one.
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LOL! First, educate yoursef: https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf

Come on back when you at least know what you're talking about.

As to Petro Poroshenko, the Ukrainian Oligarch that Zelenski replaced, the policies regarding ethnic cleansing in the Donbas was identical, as was the unilateral use of power. And funny enough, Petro Poroshenko never suspended elections to stay in power. That's uniquely Zelenski. Funny, huh? He's gone even farther down the dictatorship path than Poroshenko. The more you know?


So is Zelenski in same party as said Petro Peroshenko that has been ruling Ukraine?
You keep dodging all questions and expect me to engage in your imaginary convoluted view of the world. It feels like I am conversing with a crack head.


Zelensky is a dictator because he refused to hold democratic elections in Ukraine.

Zelensky has signed laws that forbid negotiations with Putin, he signed laws that forbid Ukrainian media to report about government decisions regarding the war in a negative way, if they do they can expect the GRU to knock on their doors :rolleyes:

Just like Ukrainians who dare to post about the impact of Russian airstrikes are being rounded up by GRU while at the same time Ukrainian MOD is claiming 99% of Russian missiles were successfully intercepted.

I can go on and on


Britain post-poned elections during world war 2 as well, it's a logical thing to do while you are being invaded. You need to read up what Martial Law is and entails.
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So is Zelenski in same party as said Petro Peroshenko that has been ruling Ukraine?
You keep dodging all questions and expect me to engage in your imaginary convoluted view of the world. It feels like I am conversing with a crack head.

Britain post-poned elections during world war 2 as well, it's a logical thing to do while you are being invaded. You need to read up what Martial Law is and entails.


I'm not dodging shit. Are you a mental midget? The enforcement arm of both Poroshenko and Zelenski is Asov. Asov has been used by both to propel ethnic cleansing. The purpose of the ethnic cleansing is to purify the "Ukrainian Race".

Maybe you should listen to what your heroes have to say. They sound identical to Hitler. And I guarantee you didn't read about what fascism is. After I went to all that effort to link you the philosophy, as written by the man who INVENTED it.

You're special. Don't forget your helmet. :)
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Feb 2 2025 04:13am
Russian media can and does report negatively on Putin every day.


Proof?


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Russian companies can and do do business with entities that are considered "adversarial" to Putin every day.


There are no Putins adversaries left in Russia anymore, all fell out of windows/got poisoned/disappeared/had to flee the country/died in prisons etc.
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Russia has not suspended elections a single time under Putin. Turns out, he's just that popular.


Do not need to suspend elections you control.


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Ukrainian media can NOT report negatively on Zelenski. Ukrainian companies can not do business with entities adversarial to zelenski. Zelenski is currently in office because he suspended all democracy and declared himself tyrant.


Do not know much about Ukrainian media tbh, would need to dive into the subject but given your poor track record of providing any valid evidence, going to write it off as false per usual.


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You're barking up the wrong tree. Your personal thoughts on Putin are irrelevant. The Russian people support him. Good, bad, or indifferent, he is their DEMOCRATIC CHOICE for President/Czar. Zelenski? Does not allow democracy, OR choice.


To be honest all of this is irrelevant, it would be fascinating to study what life experiences led you to adopt such a toxic and convoluted world view. Simply from scientific stand point.


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I'm not dodging shit. Are you a mental midget? The enforcement arm of both Poroshenko and Zelenski is Asov. Asov has been used by both to propel ethnic cleansing. The purpose of the ethnic cleansing is to purify the "Ukrainian Race".

Maybe you should listen to what your heroes have to say. They sound identical to Hitler. And I guarantee you didn't read about what fascism is. After I went to all that effort to link you the philosophy, as written by the man who INVENTED it.

You're special. Don't forget your helmet. :)


So this is Zelenski and Poroshenko party? How did they win the elections if they had fraction of 2.15% of electoral vote they received with 2 other right leaning parties?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Corps
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Feb 2 2025 04:17am
Proof?
There are no Putins adversaries left in Russia anymore, all fell out of windows/got poisoned/disappeared/had to flee the country/died in prisons etc.
Do not need to suspend elections you control.
Do not know much about Ukrainian media tbh, would need to dive into the subject but given your poor track record of providing any valid evidence, going to write it off as false per usual.
To be honest all of this is irrelevant, it would be fascinating to study what life experiences led you to adopt such a toxic and convoluted world view. Simply from scientific stand point.


LOL! This is the best response yet. You start asking for proof for something you can easily look up on your own. Just open a Russian online newspaper and use google translate. EVERY Russian media source reports critically on Putin's actions. When they disagree with them. Then you proceed to make wild claims without proof. It's almost hilarious. Let me guess, the Donbas republics officially declaring independence in 2014 never happened. Those republics formally requesting aid from Russia to defend them from Asov in 2022 never happened. The multiple pro-Russia referendums in Crimea were all "controlled by Russia" too, right?

You do nothing but make baseless claims, THEN you admit you know know shit about Ukraine, WHILE DEFENDING the dictator that has suspended all democracy in Ukraine.

You're a joke. Don't forget your helmet.

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LOL! This is the best response yet. You start asking for proof for something you can easily look up on your own. Just open a Russian online newspaper and use google translate. EVERY Russian media source reports critically on Putin's actions. When they disagree with them. Then you proceed to make wild claims without proof. It's almost hilarious. Let me guess, the Donbas republics officially declaring independence in 2014 never happened. Those republics formally requesting aid from Russia to defend them from Asov in 2022 never happened. The multiple pro-Russia referendums in Crimea were all "controlled by Russia" too, right?

You do nothing but make baseless claims, THEN you admit you know know shit about Ukraine, WHILE DEFENDING the dictator that has suspended all democracy in Ukraine.

You're a joke. Don't forget your helmet.


So can you provide examples?
Here are examples of how referendums and elections actually work in Russia for the most part, in occupied parts of Ukraine it was even easier, friendly Russian mercs standing outside the "voting stations" reminded local populace of possible consequences if their votes were not cast the right way.


I provided credible evidence for all my claims, you provided nothing but shitty Kremlin propaganda talking points you added to in your snafued brain.

Petty insults are the weak way out of this :(

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So can you provide examples?
Here are examples of how referendums and elections actually work in Russia for the most part, in occupied parts of Ukraine it was even easier, friendly Russian mercs standing outside the "voting stations" reminded local populace of possible consequences if their votes were not cast the right way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH7uXZQsyHI

I provided credible evidence for all my claims, you provided nothing but shitty Kremlin propaganda talking points you added to in your snafued brain.


You've provided no credible evidence at all for any of your claims. A video without any context or information whatsoever, from state funded anti-Russian The Guardian isn't particularly convincing.

As to sourcing, I've grown weary of sourcing the same exact shit over and over. Every claim I've made has been sourced ad nauseum in this topic. If you want the sources, go ahead and go back and read.

Your entire argument boils down to "I hate Putin, therefore everything the Dictator of Ukraine does is okay." And that's fine. If that's your opinion, that's your opinion. Own it, rather than talking around it like some snakey politician.

If you wanted to present your opinion honestly in such a fashion, then we could get to the real discussion which is rather simple:

1. The US gains nothing from trade sanctions against Russia. As a point in fact, the US has suffered severe negative economic impact by doing so.
2. The US gains nothing by supporting Ukraine either monetarily or militarily. As a point in fact, the US has given away hundreds of billions worth of weapons and munitions that are going to cost taxpayers hundreds of billions to replace, as well as hundreds of billions in pure cash, which has seen ZERO return.
3. The majority of the US population does NOT support a foreign war against Russia.

As an American, I don't give a shit about Ukraine AT ALL. That's part of Russia's sphere of influence, and Russia is not an enemy of the United States. Nor have they been at any point. ANY point. Even during the cold war, they were not an enemy, merely an adversary, and business continued between the two nations unabated throughout the ENTIRE course of the Cold War. As an American, all I see is Putin looking after the best interests of Russia, and ethnic Russians. All I see when I look at Zelenski is a dictator profiting to the tune of billions over a war that NOBODY is benefitting from.

But go on, warmonger. Continue to spew bullshit about why I should pay for somebody else's war, and how it's so horrible that we're no longer financing the bullshit Ukrainian propaganda machine. :)
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Feb 2 2025 04:50am
You've provided no credible evidence at all for any of your claims. A video without any context or information whatsoever, from state funded anti-Russian The Guardian isn't particularly convincing.

As to sourcing, I've grown weary of sourcing the same exact shit over and over. Every claim I've made has been sourced ad nauseum in this topic. If you want the sources, go ahead and go back and read.

Your entire argument boils down to "I hate Putin, therefore everything the Dictator of Ukraine does is okay." And that's fine. If that's your opinion, that's your opinion. Own it, rather than talking around it like some snakey politician.

If you wanted to present your opinion honestly in such a fashion, then we could get to the real discussion which is rather simple:

1. The US gains nothing from trade sanctions against Russia. As a point in fact, the US has suffered severe negative economic impact by doing so.
2. The US gains nothing by supporting Ukraine either monetarily or militarily. As a point in fact, the US has given away hundreds of billions worth of weapons and munitions that are going to cost taxpayers hundreds of billions to replace, as well as hundreds of billions in pure cash, which has seen ZERO return.
3. The majority of the US population does NOT support a foreign war against Russia.

As an American, I don't give a shit about Ukraine AT ALL. That's part of Russia's sphere of influence, and Russia is not an enemy of the United States. Nor have they been at any point. ANY point. Even during the cold war, they were not an enemy, merely an adversary, and business continued between the two nations unabated throughout the ENTIRE course of the Cold War. As an American, all I see is Putin looking after the best interests of Russia, and ethnic Russians. All I see when I look at Zelenski is a dictator profiting to the tune of billions over a war that NOBODY is benefitting from.

But go on, warmonger. Continue to spew bullshit about why I should pay for somebody else's war, and how it's so horrible that we're no longer financing the bullshit Ukrainian propaganda machine. :)


I don't care if USA finances Ukrainian propaganda or doesn't at all lol. Even without Ukrainian propaganda its crystal clear to everyone what Russia and their new best buddy North Korea is.

1. 2. https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/how-america-s-aid-to-ukraine-actually-works https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-supporting-ukraine-revitalizing-us-defense-industrial-base educate yourself on the matter please.
3. Majority of people do not support a war of any kind (even in Russia but its fascist regime doesn't care what its people think)

This post was edited by Fnall on Feb 2 2025 04:53am
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