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Apr 9 2020 03:09pm
Aaaaand the deal's here:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-economy/eu-ministers-seal-deal-on-half-a-trillion-euro-coronavirus-rescue-plan-idUSKCN21R0S4

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BRUSSELS (Reuters) - European Union finance ministers agreed on Thursday on half-a-trillion euros worth of support for their coronavirus-battered economies after weeks of wrangling that exposed painful divisions in the bloc headed for a steep recession.

EU powerhouse Germany, as well as France, put their feet down to end opposition from the Netherlands over attaching economic conditions to emergency credit for governments weathering the impacts of the pandemic, and after assurances for Italy that the bloc would show solidarity.

But the agreement does not mention joint debt issuance to finance recovery - something Italy, France and Spain pushed strongly for but which is a red line for Germany, the Netherlands, Finland and Austria.

It only defers to the bloc’s 27 national leaders whether “innovative financial instruments” should be used.

French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said Europe has agreed the most important economic plan in its history.

Earlier on Thursday Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte warned that the EU’s very existence would be under threat if it could not come together to combat the pandemic.

For weeks, EU member states have struggled to present a united front in the face of the pandemic, squabbling over money, medical equipment and drugs, border restrictions and trade curbs, amid fraught talks laying bare bitter divisions.
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel earlier in the day talked on the phone with Conte and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, paving the way for the agreement, which would now be taken up by the leaders in a joint videoconference in the coming days.

She said she and Conte agreed on the “urgent need for solidarity in Europe, which is going through one of its most difficult hours, if not the most difficult”.

“Germany is ready for this solidarity and committed to it,” she said.

Merkel made clear Berlin would not agree to jointly issued debt, but said other financial avenues were available.

Officials said Merkel also asked Rutte to stop blocking the deal, intended to provide a safety net for governments, companies and people against the deep recession the pandemic is expected to cause this year.

“The feeling in Germany is that everyone has done enough posturing for their domestic audiences by now. It’s time to come together,” one senior EU official in Brussels said.

Discussions have so far been fraught between the more fiscally conservative north and the indebted south, which has been hit hardest by the pandemic.

The package would bring the EU’s total fiscal response to the epidemic to 3.2 trillion euros ($3.5 trillion), the biggest in the world.

It includes access to cheap credit from the euro zone bailout fund, the European Stability Mechanism (ESM), more guarantees for the European Investment Bank to step up lending to companies, and a scheme to subsidise wages so that firms can cut working hours, not jobs.
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Apr 9 2020 04:19pm
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EU Member criticized the Netherlands - supported, according to a European source, by Austria, Sweden and Denmark - for blocking the activation of the European Stability Mechanism (ESM) by strictly conditioning the loans that this fund could grant euro zone relief to economic reforms.

This agreement "marks an important day for the EU", welcomed the French Minister of Finance, Bruno Le Maire, during a press point. German Minister Olaf Scholz said that this joint response to the new coronavirus was "a great day for European solidarity".
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EU Member criticized the Netherlands - supported, according to a European source, by Austria, Sweden and Denmark - for blocking the activation of the European Stability Mechanism (ESM) by strictly conditioning the loans that this fund could grant euro zone relief to economic reforms.

This agreement "marks an important day for the EU", welcomed the French Minister of Finance, Bruno Le Maire, during a press point. German Minister Olaf Scholz said that this joint response to the new coronavirus was "a great day for European solidarity".


Do you realise 500bn is a drop in the ocean for 27 member states with a total economy of $16tr?

Italy and Spain are gonna come crawling back to Germany to plead for a shared indebtedness scheme again in about two weeks.

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Do you realise 500bn is a drop in the ocean for 27 member states with a total economy of $16tr?

Italy and Spain are gonna come crawling back to Germany to plead for a shared indebtedness scheme again in about two weeks.


It's 500 B immediately available.


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Apr 9 2020 11:39pm
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Do you realise 500bn is a drop in the ocean for 27 member states with a total economy of $16tr?

Italy and Spain are gonna come crawling back to Germany to plead for a shared indebtedness scheme again in about two weeks.


This. The whole phrasing that "an economic 'recovery fund' shall be installed; its scope and source of funding to be discussed later" is nothing but kicking the can down the road.

The southern bloc will make another attempt at pushing through joint debt issuance/setting the course for a permanent debt and transfer union soon enough. They will wait until the dust has settled for a bit, will choose a different, less obvious name for it, and try to get the thing through without the public in the northern states noticing in time.

They know very well that Merkel is a traitorous cunt who would willingly sacrifice unlimited amounts of German taxpayer money and wealth for ""Europe"" as long as she doesnt take too much flak for it at home, so that her domestic power isnt endangered.

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Apr 10 2020 01:41am
Quote (dro94 @ Apr 10 2020 12:42am)
Do you realise 500bn is a drop in the ocean for 27 member states with a total economy of $16tr?

Italy and Spain are gonna come crawling back to Germany to plead for a shared indebtedness scheme again in about two weeks.


This
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Apr 10 2020 03:53am
The deal is a decent short term solution, but the EU members will need to deliver something more substantial and head towards joint debt and cession of sovereignty, if they are truly committed with the survival of the European spirit in the long term.
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The deal is a decent short term solution, but the EU members will need to deliver something more substantial and head towards joint debt and cession of sovereignty, if they are truly committed with the survival of the European spirit in the long term.


ya well, let's not kid ourselves. the 'european spirit' is only ever saved until the next (financial) crisis. then everything from the past is forgotten and the countries in need will dangle that over the EUs head. understandable, of course, and for the most part a problem the EU created for itself, but that doesn't change the fact what the southern countries are asking for (shared securities) is a fucking huge commitment.
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Apr 10 2020 07:01am
Quote (zarkadon @ Apr 10 2020 10:53am)
The deal is a decent short term solution, but the EU members will need to deliver something more substantial and head towards joint debt and cession of sovereignty, if they are truly committed with the survival of the European spirit in the long term.


I'm with the Germans on this one. Why should they foot the bill for Italy and Spain? They are already charitable to other member states and their government is responsible for the well being of the German people, not all Europeans.

The EU was implicitly founded on the principle of membership posing a mutual benefit to every member state. If European spirit is quantified by how many euros you can get from other member states at their own expense then you might as well disband the EU now.



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