Not really, the Donbass includes cities like Mariupol and other cities in the region that in response to them trying to break away Ukraine sent tens of thousands of troops. They then started to de-russify those heavily Russian cities by sending Azov type militias to intimidate and shut down any separatist movements.

I mean i don't really disagree with your last point, it's certainly a war over influence, the west thought it was going to turn Russia's closest satellite state against them, miscalculating the response then Russia in turn miscalculating Ukrainian resistance.

So, Polish president, Duda, invited Steinmeier, German president, to come along with 3 other eastern Europeans and visit Kyiv. Zelensky's staff declared our president a person non grata over his political involvment in the past years. Then, they went on saying, they'd rather have Scholz visit. Well, Scholz was reigning alongside Merkel all those years, Steinmeier's role was rather insignificant. Our president is formerly our head of state. Refusing him would be like refusing the visit to the queen of England. Would Johnson go and visit the country afterwards? Scholz dimplomatically told Ukraine to go f*** themselves. Whether he'll visit or not is up to himself. The scandal is huge. Even though our president, the Ukrainian speaker and Polish president confirmed the incident, an Ukrainian speaker came out saying "Zelensky didn't refuse the visit" to save what can be saved. It just means he didn't send him home personally but through diplomatic channels. I don't give much f*** about diplomatic back and forths but people in Germany are really pissed off. The public opinion is changing against the Ukrainian government. Those idiots don't know that our government can't help Ukraine if the people in Germany don't want to. For politicians, it would be like shooting oneself into knee. So yeah, keep blaming Germany and Germany only, the second highest doner after the US to Ukraine until our people here have got enough.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Apr 13 2022 08:40am

It's both, actually.

Ukraine will end up both demilitarized and denazified as stated in the original objectives.

The demilitarization aspect is already almost done, Ukraine has already lost 95% of their heavy war industry, and a huge chunk of their combined arms capabilities.

Far more fled. We had the scenes of refugees being stopped at the border and the men forcibly conscripted. What's our basis for believing that the majority of ethnic Ukrainians are behind a bitter fight on behalf of the west? Their presence on social media? Their state run news outlets and our western journalists credulously repeating their propaganda? There's no doubt a large chunk of the western Ukrainian populist base who have embraced anti-Russian nationalism, else Euromaidan would never have succeeded. They may well be a majority. But once we start looking at the numbers willing to risk their lives, those numbers dwindle. When Ukraine is recruiting child soldiers and shanghaiing refugees and won't swear off its Nazi brigade, we have reason to doubt their army's numbers and morale.

Most Ukrainians lived with Russia's grip on their country most of their lives, and in the last countrywide elections to be held, the Russian-aligned candidate won most of the vote. Not just from his native Donetsk and other eastern oblasts, but also the south and Odessa. He still got ~20-40% of the vote in districts in central Ukraine around Kiev, only Lviv and its surroundings went 90%+ to the other side. What happened to all the people who voted for the candidate who got overthrown in a coup? A lot of them seceded, sure. Many still lived in the west and south. And when war came, they probably fled already

well then we really will be in WW3 because Romania/Bulgaria have been in NATO for over a decade

Zelensky is a coke addict that threw the lives of his own people away so they could film a Tiktok of them throwing molotovs at fully armed Russian troops.

What did you expect from this fucking clown?

we already have our F 15S
F 35S are coming in soon
And we have a US military base somewhere around Singapore.

I read that earlier, but its not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. its no different then some random american briefly renaming french fries to freedom fries. it will blow over.
Unless I am reading the situation wrong germany is and has been overly passive, a by product of their cultural withdrawal from conflict which has last for 1/2 a century, and that they are not the guiding hand in any of this, so well, their likes / dislikes and small complaints are irrelevant in the current narrative. Well, other then gas, anyway.



yes ok, TY for those. not an area of the world i am familiar with. Religion is the mother of all wars as they say.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 13 2022 09:10am

Nah man Ukraine has to sacrifice the lives of all 40 million of their people to hurt Russia on the US' order. Black Xistenz said so, so it must be true.

This post was edited by chopstickz777 on Apr 13 2022 08:54am