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Dec 18 2024 11:17am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Dec 18 2024 09:42am)
1,028 days of Putins 3 day special military totally not a war operation.

Russia's security assistance to Armenia, worthless. Russia's expensive propping up of Assad and Syrian regime, worthless. Iran, Russia's key military partner obliterated by Israel.
North Korean troops fighting to take back the ground that the Soviets turned the Third Reich back in the legendary Battle of Kursk.

All the ingredients for a grade A clusterfuck courtesy of Vlad and Gerry.

Aside from the empty cheers at costly gains in the Donbass, you can hear a fucking pin drop in here.


What scary bout your statement is that Nato combined efforts all combined military supplies+money+mercenaries couldn't push back Russia and are still losing ground in Ukraine against what you guys call ''A defeated outdated army'' after 1028 days. The whole world can see that and that's why BRICS country are frothing at the idea of annihilating the allies within the next decade or two.

Most of our Western nations are currently invaded by muslims/hindus which are our enemies on paper.

Also keep in mind that most of our top performing people in the military/position of power are eventually going to retire/die to be replaced by men with dresses and DEI.

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Dec 18 2024 01:45pm
What I don't understand is why the West is cheer-leading an assassination, when historically we have seen Russia's playback is one of tit for tat. Like long range missiles, this is another escalation and it remains to be seen how Russia responds.
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Dec 18 2024 02:25pm
Russia invades a sovereign country and eventually brings the full force of its military to bare.

Shills still call assassinating a legitimate military target an escalation. Pull the fucking other one.
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Dec 18 2024 03:39pm
The escalation by means of long-range missile strikes and assassinations by Ukraine and its allies, while viewed in the West as legitimate wartime strategies, is likely to complicate future peace negotiations to Ukraine’s detriment. Read: my opinion is that Ukraine will have a much weaker position to negotiate from (as compared to the position last year when Boris Johnson derailed that deal). Assassinations and missile strikes within Russian territory are likely to be seen as direct provocations and violations of Russian sovereignty, regardless of claims by the west of justification. These actions are likely to intensify the Russian military response and as the West wants the first and last say, the war ever escalates. While Russia's adherence to a tit-for-tat policy makes its reactions relatively predictable (compared to nations like the US and Israel that typically respond with overwhelming force) it is a moot point noting the cycle continues to repeat itself via every new escalation.

Currently, the United States and Ukraine appear to be focused on escalating the conflict rather than pursuing negotiation. This strategy contrasts with Donald Trump’s stated goal of achieving peace, which he plans to pursue upon assuming office. The hope seems to be that he will either not assume office, or the situation will be so dire as to prevent a peace deal. The US position towards Cuba shows that the US holds a very long grudge. Ukraine can only hope that Russia is more reasonable.

for those that dont like Putin and brand him a dictator, it is not difficult to concede the point. unfortunately, Joe Biden has the unenviable nickname of Genocide Joe. From a "western" perspective a dictator is the worst, I just wonder what history will think of Biden and his policies in Ukraine and Israel.

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Dec 18 2024 04:09pm
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The escalation by means of long-range missile strikes and assassinations by Ukraine and its allies, while viewed in the West as legitimate wartime strategies, is likely to complicate future peace negotiations to Ukraine’s detriment. Read: my opinion is that Ukraine will have a much weaker position to negotiate from (as compared to the position last year when Boris Johnson derailed that deal). Assassinations and missile strikes within Russian territory are likely to be seen as direct provocations and violations of Russian sovereignty, regardless of claims by the west of justification. These actions are likely to intensify the Russian military response and as the West wants the first and last say, the war ever escalates. While Russia's adherence to a tit-for-tat policy makes its reactions relatively predictable (compared to nations like the US and Israel that typically respond with overwhelming force) it is a moot point noting the cycle continues to repeat itself via every new escalation.

Currently, the United States and Ukraine appear to be focused on escalating the conflict rather than pursuing negotiation. This strategy contrasts with Donald Trump’s stated goal of achieving peace, which he plans to pursue upon assuming office. The hope seems to be that he will either not assume office, or the situation will be so dire as to prevent a peace deal. The US position towards Cuba shows that the US holds a very long grudge. Ukraine can only hope that Russia is more reasonable.

for those that dont like Putin and brand him a dictator, it is not difficult to concede the point. unfortunately, Joe Biden has the unenviable nickname of Genocide Joe. From a "western" perspective a dictator is the worst, I just wonder what history will think of Biden and his policies in Ukraine and Israel.

I don't know what is funnier, the unfunny troll with no honor or you :D He is blabbering the same shit from day one, you could learn to ignore him. You, instead, are preaching to him in goody two shoes manner as if there were an audience listening to you :D
Last but not least, Putin is a dictator, Joe Biden isn't. He is just an asshole. Both are aholes.

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I don't know what is funnier, the unfunny troll with no honor or you :D He is blabbering the same shit from day one, you could learn to ignore him. You, instead, are preaching to him in goody two shoes manner as if there were an audience listening to you :D
Last but not least, Putin is a dictator, Joe Biden isn't. He is just an asshole. Both are aholes.


No, I am not addressing him. I am addressing the moderately minded people that are looking at this, or the israel topic, from time to time. i admittedly not active in the other topic's in this sub forum. well, trump is interesting i must admit. Your comment re: Putin is a Dictator and Putin and Joe Biden are assholes has left out the part where Genocide Joe, i.e. The current US president, is enabling genocide in Israel.

If the leader of a country is a dictator, and the leader of another country is enabling genocide, i will leave it up to moderately minded people to debate the merits and equivalence.

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No, I am not addressing him. I am addressing the moderately minded people that are looking at this, or the israel topic, from time to time. i admittedly not active in the other topic's in this sub forum. well, trump is interesting i must admit. Your comment re: Putin is a Dictator and Putin and Joe Biden are assholes has left out the part where Genocide Joe, i.e. The current US president, is enabling genocide in Israel.

If the leader of a country is a dictator, and the leader of another country is enabling genocide, i will leave it up to moderately minded people to debate the merits and equivalence.

Again, Israel isn't going the genocide way. If they wanted to they could've exterminated the whole Gaza population once and for all, instead that Gaza population has been growing. Repeating the same lie doesn't make it true. Israel isn't participating in genocide just as much as any position right to the extreme left makes anyone a nazi.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide
That's what the word genocide stands for. Palestinians fucked around and found out.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza
And that's the official population development in Gaza over the years, doesn't look like a genocide to me.

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Again, Israel isn't going the genocide way. If they wanted to they could've exterminated the whole Gaza population once and for all, instead that Gaza population has been growing. Repeating the same lie doesn't make it true. Israel isn't participating in genocide just as much as any position right to the extreme left makes anyone a nazi.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/genocide
That's what the word genocide stands for. Palestinians fucked around and found out.


If israel carpet bombed gaza and killed everyone, what do you think would happen in the Islamic world? If israel faced no backlash from muslims, then they would "genocide" the shit outa the gazans. Since the backlash would be too severe in the region and abroad, the Israelis have gone for the ethnic cleansing route, which so far, they are doing masterfully.

As long as the american taxpayer picks up that 70% war tab from the Israelis, you can expect israel to keep on expanding to achieve greater israel
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If israel carpet bombed gaza and killed everyone, what do you think would happen in the Islamic world? If israel faced no backlash from muslims, then they would "genocide" the shit outa the gazans. Since the backlash would be too severe in the region and abroad, the Israelis have gone for the ethnic cleansing route, which so far, they are doing masterfully.

As long as the american taxpayer picks up that 70% war tab from the Israelis, you can expect israel to keep on expanding to achieve greater israel

There is a huge mistake you are making. You think the Arabic league or the neighbors care for the people of Gaza. Nope, they regard them as a tool to put pressure on Israel in the region. They'd never accept them as refugees or help them directly. The same happened with Uyghurs. Everyone and their mom knew the "East Turkestan" movement was another CIA planned color revolution to destabilize China. China went much harder on them than Israel in Gaza. No one bat an eye, not even Erdogan because they knew the motivation behind it: prevent unnecessary escalation like the Russia - Ukrainian war.
The Gazans are at Israel's full mercy. They don't even need to dirty their hands. They could've shut off the infrastructure providing Palestinians with fresh water and electricity. That 1 million population depending on it would go down really fast and relocate.

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