I tihnk i read somewhere that the earliest point of elections in Ukraine would be summer next year.

According to the poll referred to in this article, Zelensky's approval rating stands at +30 (60% approve vs 30% disapprove) in August 2024, while confidence in the government stands at -38 (28% vs 66%).

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 30 2024 03:24pm

He is not wrong. Give and take kind of relationship. It's not like Ukrainians lived very well under Russian Umbrella. The problem was how to conduct the trade without starting WW3 with Russia.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Nov 30 2024 04:36pm

easy, just dont include nato. fixed. too late for that now ofc.

So Ukraine is free to join the EU as long as Russia has credible guarantees that they won't join NATO?!
Then why did Moscow's man in Kyiv break his own, explicit campaign promises and veto the EU association agreement at the 11th hour, which set off the escalation spiral?


Imho, this conflict was never exclusively about NATO, it was always about maintaining Russia's political, economic and military sphere of influence.

the war was mostly about economics the whole time, its two blocks fighting for exclusive access to ukranian resources, agriculture etc

sure, russia also some cold war geopolitics in mind, but the reality is that they just want to make money in ukraine

History and Facts support the notion that Ukraine in the EU is not desired by Russia. However the evidence that Russia would invade Ukraine over a western trade partner is not evident. Putin has been blunt in outlining the concern was ever Nato, not the EU.

Trade partner != full EU membership. Economic ties are not the same as political ties.

Russia's literal actions suggest that they were willing to take a huge risk to prevent Ukraine from even just getting on a path toward EU membership (we were still many many years away from actual accession). They were obviously aware that having their puppet Yanukovych break his campaign promise and nix the EU association agrement would, at a minimum, spark huge, wide-spread protests across large swaths of the country. They were willing to pour gasoline on the fire of
Ukraine's pro-Western movement to prevent this step.

Likewise, they instantly annexed crimea and invaded the Donbas as soon as they saw their power/influence in Ukraine slipping post-Maidan. I don't really fault them for that, but it still reveals their true priorities.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 1 2024 08:34am

So you agree with me ?
wait, thats not right.

the former argument (trade deal) supports your position, but the latter (crimea) supports my argument.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 1 2024 10:35am