He is in no position to ask for anything. Best deal which can be reached is to secure a deal for the western Ukraine and to send troops there to guaranty the peace/ territorial integrity. Russia will probably ask for sanctions relief which could smooth out the transition. I don't think Russia is going to talk with Zelensky at all btw. Ukraine will probably hold new elections under temporary ceasefire and that government will have the mandate of the people to decide the future of the country.

sry to clarify, there is every reason for russia to negotiate, as they dont want ww3. yes from a ukrainian perspective there is no reason to negotiate as they have been hard wired that way.

Russia isn't looking for WW3. Biden's administration is looking for escalation before he leaves. The thing is conquering the rest of the Ukraine is a big problem for Russia. Western Ukraine doesn't regard itself as Russian, they cost a lot, produce little compared to the east and are going to be hostile forever. You'd need to suppress them by force. Russian population wouldn't support the move either. But and that's a big but, they don't want the same conflict some years later at their doors (Minsk I, Minsk II etc.). They'll push until they'll get a more favorable deal. Trump is going to be the dealer, Zelensky won't matter.
The deal will be probably be no NATO but peacekeeper mission from EU in the western Ukraine and a buffer zone with sanctions relief on both sides.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Nov 29 2024 05:51pm

Kinda agree: they prefer to take countries one by one, more slowly than a big war. First take countries that were part of USSR, then move on to countries who were in Warsaw Pact, then finish what they started in 1945 with germans, then attack France because of Napoleon who attacked Russia in the past. Italy's Mussolini and Spain's Franco were not really cool leaders either, that could be used as an excuse. Excuse will always be found, when only there is a will of countries to keep Russia satisfied.



Nope, Biden is trying to make Ukraine position better ahead of coming peace negotiations. Russia is already "all in" into war: they bring drones from Iran, soldiers from North Korea, its not like they can get thousands of missiles out of nowhere when Ukrainians attack. They could potentially use some of the hard reserve, and risk not having that reserve, but will need to rebuild it after.


Russians are quite good at suppressing by force, we have seen that in Bucha Massacre two years ago. And ukrainian civilians can be used as a cannon fodder in next war: much less cost than using Russian own population.


Russians would be glad that Russia grows, thats how these people feel. Gorbaczev and Jelcyn tried to change that in 90s, to switch Russia to democracy, but it didnt work unfortunately.

right and look under your bed or else the boogie man will get you. dont forget to insult me either, since thats your current go to.

Whatever you are smoking I would like to have some of those

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 29 2024 07:09pm

I have some nice drops on your thread today.
Let me know if you want to make a Season 9 Thread. I will sponsor the Red and Bold .

I agree: they prefer it slowly. They don't rush unless it's rush B. Now they are on the long run of a massive land grab, 3 years already. Ukraine is just a beginning, the first target so far. Not the smartest idea, I would start with Belarus. But you know, those ruskis are unpredictable due to their inferior genes.

This post was edited by Norlander on Nov 29 2024 07:37pm

No NATO is firm and deals that include it are an immediate nonstarter for Russians.

EU accession might be an option with Lisbon treaty security guarantees.

Moreover current events in Aleppo show why Russians will never agree to an armistice deal. Root causes have to be fixed proper, not postponed until more opportune time.

This post was edited by Malopox on Nov 30 2024 01:14am