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Nov 29 2024 03:35am
Quote (nuvo @ Nov 29 2024 08:40am)
Again, flip the script and see if you understand how out of touch you are:

Since NATO already stated they want Ukraine and Georgia in, russia interfering in those matters you can bet that's another escalation and will mean more war coming to russia. Wild that you cannot come to this conclusion. It's only geopolitics right?


** whether its true NATO wants ukraine in - which it doesn't, not for a long time - doesn't matter for this mind excercise for you.

Where do I get - surely not from kremlin propaganda like you. Multiple podcasts and news outlets

For the last time, because I won't waste more time on stating the obvious - russian state tv is a russian state tv. It's official state propaganda channel. Solovyov is official russian propagandist tasked to read propaganda script provided to him by GRU



It's like me saying I don't accept Prince Charles taking the throne after Elisabeth. And just like I don't have say in royal throne game in UK, russia has no say in NATO affairs.


Putin has stated that Russia invaded Ukraine due to Nato expansion into Ukraine. The US has made it clear for over a decade, that they are seeking to have Ukraine join Nato. Nato and Ukraine carried out joint military exercises prior to the war and Ukraine enshrined in its constitution, prior to the russian invasion, that it would join Nato. The US refused to heed Russian security concerns and now here we are. Lets have Russian nukes in Cuba and chinese nukes in Mexico, im sure the US will take that more gracefully then US nukes in Ukraine (this is sarcasm).

With brevity, yes, Russia TV, Channel 1 and RT can be considered official Russian state propaganda channels.

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Quote (nuvo @ Nov 29 2024 09:40am)
Again, flip the script and see if you understand how out of touch you are:

Since NATO already stated they want Ukraine and Georgia in, russia interfering in those matters you can bet that's another escalation and will mean more war coming to russia. Wild that you cannot come to this conclusion. It's only geopolitics right?


** whether its true NATO wants ukraine in - which it doesn't, not for a long time - doesn't matter for this mind excercise for you.

Where do I get - surely not from kremlin propaganda like you. Multiple podcasts and news outlets

For the last time, because I won't waste more time on stating the obvious - russian state tv is a russian state tv. It's official state propaganda channel. Solovyov is official russian propagandist tasked to read propaganda script provided to him by GRU



It's like me saying I don't accept Prince Charles taking the throne after Elisabeth. And just like I don't have say in royal throne game in UK, russia has no say in NATO affairs.

Except that Charles is a military alliance which regards you as an enemy, is going to be your next door neighbour in the future and refuses any talks regarding your safety because apparently your safety isn't his business :lol:

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It's like me saying I don't accept Prince Charles taking the throne after Elisabeth. And just like I don't have say in royal throne game in UK, russia has no say in NATO affairs.


A prince taking the throne after a monarch dies is an internal affair and no foreign country has the right to interfere, no matter how bad the prince is.
A country interfering with another country, the way the US has done all over the world, for decades, case in point Ukraine in 2014 (coup) and weaponizing the country (2014-2022) is a clear and present danger to its neighbors. If Russia were to replace the Canadian government, weaponize it for 8 years and then broach the topic of giving it Russian nukes, the US would 100% deal with the situation well before then. Russia is just incompetent that's all.

happy for todays topic to be Russian stupidity. I mean, the US biden government cant have a monopoly on stupidity right?

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Nov 29 2024 04:59am
West plotting to ‘occupy’ Ukraine – Russian intel
Plans are being made to freeze the conflict by sending 100,000 foreign troops to the country, according to the SVR

According to the SVR, the plan would also involve Ukraine being partitioned into four large occupation zones. Romania would take the Black Sea coast, Poland would control Western Ukraine, and the UK would occupy the north, including Kiev. The central and eastern parts of the country would be taken by Germany, the agency claimed
https://www.rt.com/russia/608376-svr-west-kiev-troops/

Gota protect Blackrocks investment dontchya know.
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Quote (zorzin @ Nov 29 2024 10:59am)
West plotting to ‘occupy’ Ukraine – Russian intel
Plans are being made to freeze the conflict by sending 100,000 foreign troops to the country, according to the SVR

According to the SVR, the plan would also involve Ukraine being partitioned into four large occupation zones. Romania would take the Black Sea coast, Poland would control Western Ukraine, and the UK would occupy the north, including Kiev. The central and eastern parts of the country would be taken by Germany, the agency claimed
https://www.rt.com/russia/608376-svr-west-kiev-troops/

Gota protect Blackrocks investment dontchya know.


It all depends on the US I guess, and how events shape out over the next 1-3 months
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Nov 29 2024 07:52am
Quote (nuvo @ Nov 29 2024 03:40pm)
Again, flip the script and see if you understand how out of touch you are:

Since NATO already stated they want Ukraine and Georgia in, russia interfering in those matters you can bet that's another escalation and will mean more war coming to russia. Wild that you cannot come to this conclusion. It's only geopolitics right?


** whether its true NATO wants ukraine in - which it doesn't, not for a long time - doesn't matter for this mind excercise for you.

Where do I get - surely not from kremlin propaganda like you. Multiple podcasts and news outlets

For the last time, because I won't waste more time on stating the obvious - russian state tv is a russian state tv. It's official state propaganda channel. Solovyov is official russian propagandist tasked to read propaganda script provided to him by GRU



It's like me saying I don't accept Prince Charles taking the throne after Elisabeth. And just like I don't have say in royal throne game in UK, russia has no say in NATO affairs.


Who's out of touch considering that a whole bunch of ex USSR countries were already absorbed into NATO and nothing happened. Now it's Ukraine a strategically important core former USSR country bordering Russia. Crimea / large ethnic Russian minority and so on. Is it weird that Russia reacts to defend their interests? It's not. Has NATO business in Ukraine considering the risk of all out war, possibly a global conflict? No they don't.

BTW I'm not even Russian and I'm posting simple facts not propaganda so you completely miss once again.

I'm not out of touch, YOU are out of touch. And it's clear that NATO isn't getting their way no matter how much you kick and scream about it, you just get more war every time NATO escalates.

Your Prince Charles analogy just underlines how clueless you are. Countries do protect their interests, against NATO ambitions for example. Simple fact right there. Two options remain, accept you won't get your way or step it up to a direct war with Russia and possibly a global conflict. Which option to you prefer?



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Quote (ferdia @ Nov 29 2024 05:09pm)
A prince taking the throne after a monarch dies is an internal affair and no foreign country has the right to interfere, no matter how bad the prince is.
A country interfering with another country, the way the US has done all over the world, for decades, case in point Ukraine in 2014 (coup) and weaponizing the country (2014-2022) is a clear and present danger to its neighbors. If Russia were to replace the Canadian government, weaponize it for 8 years and then broach the topic of giving it Russian nukes, the US would 100% deal with the situation well before then. Russia is just incompetent that's all.

happy for todays topic to be Russian stupidity. I mean, the US biden government cant have a monopoly on stupidity right?


A completely useless analogy the guy has no clue.

Did you read that you should flip the script, NATO already stated that they want Ukraine and Georgia therefor Russia is interfering in NATO affairs and therefor it's only natural more war will come to Russia or so he reasons.

I think I'm done here, lol
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Quote (Djunior @ Nov 29 2024 01:59pm)
A completely useless analogy the guy has no clue.

Did you read that you should flip the script, NATO already stated that they want Ukraine and Georgia therefor Russia is interfering in NATO affairs and therefor it's only natural more war will come to Russia or so he reasons.

I think I'm done here, lol


Russia is far more incompetent then the US at doing regime change all over the world. Thats not a US compliment. The US has made it an art form. All Russia can do is be a blunt hammer and invade Ukraine after the US successfully replaced the lawfully elected Ukrainian government back in 2014. That is what this war essentially boils down to. I mean, ukraine in the EU would be good for the EU, good for Ukraine, it just causes problems for Russia. if we ignore Russian concerns then it is a complete no brainer for Ukraine to be in the EU. and its a no brainer that Ukraine wants to be in Nato as well. but the fact is if you are deciding on a direction of travel you have to accept that some destinations are harder to get to then others, and sometimes, its not suitable to travel down certain paths.

and then its a no brainer for China to invest in Cuba and put 1000 nuclear bombs in Cuba, to protect Cuba. We can call it a defensive alliance.

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Russia is far more incompetent then the US at doing regime change all over the world. Thats not a US compliment. The US has made it an art form. All Russia can do is be a blunt hammer and invade Ukraine after the US successfully replaced the lawfully elected Ukrainian government back in 2014. That is what this war essentially boils down to.


Geo-politics is what it boils down to and countries defending their interests. And a complete arrogance displayed by the West / NATO where they believe they can do what they want because they're the good guys or countries are free to join NATO no matter the risk of all out war and the implications for the rest of the world.

The US have no problem using the blunt hammer too as we've seen during multiple wars and interventions.
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Quote (zorzin @ Nov 29 2024 02:59am)
West plotting to ‘occupy’ Ukraine – Russian intel
Plans are being made to freeze the conflict by sending 100,000 foreign troops to the country, according to the SVR

According to the SVR, the plan would also involve Ukraine being partitioned into four large occupation zones. Romania would take the Black Sea coast, Poland would control Western Ukraine, and the UK would occupy the north, including Kiev. The central and eastern parts of the country would be taken by Germany, the agency claimed
https://www.rt.com/russia/608376-svr-west-kiev-troops/

Gota protect Blackrocks investment dontchya know.


Galicia going to Poland is the fair move here

Anywho, this war is winding down. Putin is communicating that he wants peace talks. Zelenskyy is now also communicating that he wants peace talks - stating roughly that Putin wishes to interfere in those peace ideals for a better position. Okay, fair. The bloodshed will end either way in a few months from now, thank God. Now everyone can speculate on how exactly it will go down
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