Quote (babun1024 @ 28 Nov 2024 15:15)

You're Polish? You are allowed to hate Russia and Germany, especially if you're above 40. You're also allowed to hate on Ukraine for the genocide on Poles ordered by Russians. Huge parts of western Ukraine were Poland.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 28 2024 08:31am)

Send the kids please, the proxy war must continue. IMO, we should be sending the Poles that are so eager to fight and rest of the NAFO crowd. It should be simple, those that want to fight should be exchanged for the ones that don't.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-biden-draft-08e3bad195585b7c3d9662819cc5618f

Quote (babun1024 @ Nov 28 2024 03:15pm)

You're Polish? You are allowed to hate Russia and Germany, especially if you're above 40. You're also allowed to hate on Ukraine for the genocide on Poles ordered by Russians. Huge parts of western Ukraine were Poland.

Quote (Malopox @ Nov 28 2024 03:31pm)

Again, something tells me that your relatives moved away not from “undemocratic” Soviet Poland but from “democratic” poor Poland of the 1990s. They moved not because they loved democracy but because they wanted jobs and prosperity and they moved to the “winning” countries. If Western block would’ve collapsed as a result of Cold War - we would see the opposite move, poor Brits moving to Poland as plumbers. It’s history now, there is nothing to be gained mulling over what could’ve happened - because it didn’t. We live in the current version of reality, the way it unfolded.

Hating on poor countries instead of helping them develop is a strange flex. We should also strive to prop each other up and develop as humanity.

Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 28 2024 09:33am)

This is precisely the kind of step that could precede the Ukrainian government imploding and country being toppled from within (again)

Quote (Malopox @ Nov 28 2024 03:32pm)

Ordered by the Russians? What.

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In September 1939, Poland was invaded by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. The eastern part of Poland was annexed by the Soviet Union; Volhynia and Eastern Galicia were attached to the Ukrainian SSR. After the annexation, the Soviet NKVD started eliminating the predominantly Polish middle and upper classes, including social activists and military leaders. Between 1939 and 1941, 200,000 Poles were deported to Siberia.[49] The deportations and murders deprived the Poles of their community leaders.

During the wartime Soviet occupation, Polish members of the local administration were replaced by Ukrainians and Jews,[50] and the Soviet NKVD subverted the Ukrainian independence movement. All local Ukrainian political parties were abolished. Between 20,000 and 30,000 Ukrainian activists fled to German-occupied territory; most of those who did not escape were arrested. For example, Dmytro Levytsky, head of the UNDO, was arrested along with many of his colleagues, and never heard from again.[51] The elimination by the Soviets of the moderate or liberal political leaders within Ukrainian society allowed the extremist underground OUN to remain the only surviving group with a significant organizational presence among western Ukrainians

Quote (nuvo @ Nov 28 2024 09:02pm)

Solovyov IS a russian official. Lukashenka IS russian dog controlled by Putin. If they say something then it means they were tasked to say that. Or are you going to pretend that Belarus or russian state media are somehow free to express their own opinions?

Quote (nuvo @ Nov 28 2024 09:02pm)

If russia intervenes in NATO affairs (like getting Ukraine and Georgia in) then NATO is allowed to strike russia? After all its just geopolitics right? Or in your opinion only russia is allowed to think like that?

Quote (nuvo @ Nov 28 2024 03:38pm)

You know I never hated Germans (I never lived in a time where I had reason to, my grandma was another story heh) or Russians or Ukrainians. Until 2022 when they decided to just invade and pillage our neighbour, and threaten us every day with nuclear holocaust. Just, doesn't sit well with me you know?

What I don't like about Ukraine is their shitty stance towards Bandera. For them he's a national hero and they somehow don't understand polish view on him. This could really improve our relations, and it seems to be going in good direction - they finally allowed exhumation of the victims. Of course we don't need to love them to know its in our interests for Ukraine to win. We'd rather have border with Ukraine than russia who wants to murder us all.
But we don't care about pre-WW II lands. We lost some in the east, but gained some in the west. We are happy with current borders, no one wants part of Ukraine to be joined to Poland, that would first be very stupid, second very very very expensive. Only to have millions of people who would hate us inside our borders? Yeah, no.

Quote (babun1024 @ Nov 28 2024 02:59pm)

That's the point. CIA/USA, you name it especially supported that kind of nationalism, not the healthy one to overthrow the government in Kiew. They're openly nazi right now. You could verify it easily by visiting your local Ukrainian community. They call Russians Mongols :D
I preferred Angela Merkel's approach (I hate her for everything else though). Her doctrine was "Wandel durch Handel" which implies changes induced due to trade. Her idea was that by intensifying the contact through trade and cultural exchange, Eastern Europe and Russia at some point would be become more democratic over time which was really happening. Baltic states in the EU and Ukraine previous to the conflict were the prime examples of that (you need a minimum standard to join the EU, all Baltic states fulfilled the requirements). Poland just like the rest of the eastern Europe was left in a desolate, corrupt political state after the break with soviet Russia. Investment in Poland, bringing Poland into the EU then incorporating the army created the modern day Poland.
Ukraine could have joined the European Union. I don't think there would've been a problem. USA wanted NATO at Russia's borders, no one else.

The other part of Wandel durch Handel is if you depend on each other economically with strong ties, you'd think twice before attacking your neighbor. That's the sole reason Russia agreed to Minsk I, then Minsk II then the peace agreement before the war. They didn't want to lose all of their ties to their economic partners. No economic ties or call it sanctions, they won't care for you as well. All relationships are bilateral.
The west can escalate as much as possible. I don't think Russia would ever drop a nuke on Ukraine. They regard them as their own kin. They'd rather hit UK or USA directly, not kidding :D

Quote (Djunior @ Nov 28 2024 03:50pm)

Media channels are NOT official channels. These kind of media channels routinely discuss possible nuclear strikes on the West to name something else ridiculous that obviously isn't anything official.

Do you get it or not.These are NOT official channels. Russian MOD updates are. Or press secretary Peskov.




NATO affairs? This get's getting better and better, lol.

Once again this is all about geo-politics and countries do defend their interests whether you like it or not.

I've pointed out to you already that Ukraine is strategically important, Crimea / Sevastopol are important, large group of ethnic Russians in Ukraine is important (not Finland, not Poland, not Romania, not Baltic states or whatever other NATO members you want to compare).

Quote (babun1024 @ 28 Nov 2024 15:50)