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Nov 28 2024 05:18am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 28 Nov 2024 12:07)
Syria had always had simmering confessional conflict between the Alawi (Shia) minority which was overrepresented among the country's elites and ruling-class, and the poorer, less powerful Sunni majority.
Decades before 2011, Assad's father had an entire insurrectionist town flattened by his military to nip a brewing uprising in the bud. Assad was unable or unwilling to do the same in 2011 and lost control. Foreign meddling didn't help at all, but the conflict had strong roots in Syria itself.

Another factor for the outbreak of the Syrian civil war was the country's absolutely untenable population growth. Since 1950, the Syrian population had been almost doubling every 20 years. For example, from 12m in 1990 to 21m in 2011. In a country mostly consisting of desert and without too much industry, things were headed toward a breaking point sooner or later anyway.


Where Iraqis really played a role was the emergence of ISIS, whose leadership ranks were staffed mostly with ex-generals of Saddam's army. But make no mistake: ISIS filled the huge power vaccuum caused by the war; they are a symptom, not the conflict's root cause.

It should also be noted that Assad's troops were on the verge of defeat in 2015 when Russia decided to interfere with boots on the ground. Without Russia coming to the rescue, there would presumably have been a genocide of the Alawites - and thus a similar mass exodus of Syrian refugees. So for as critical as I am of the Russian actions in Ukraine, I reject the claim that they are singularly responsible for triggering the European refugee crisis, let alone having done it on purpose.


I’ve edited my post a bit, take a look.

Assads are no saints and have done plenty of troubling things to keep themselves in power. Hence my question as to what was the need to overthrow Syrian democracy earlier?

The population growth between 1990s to now is mostly driven by Iraq wars. Iraq- a former US Proxy - was under extreme sanctions in the 1990s and life there was absolute hell. Remember that Madeleine Albreight interview where she boasts that she is proud that she caused death of half a million of Iraqi kids and would do it all over again?



People were fleeing across the border to Syria, Turkey, Lebanon and what not, to escape Iraq and hope for a better life elsewhere. This was on purpose to bleed Iraq in preparation for 2003 invasion. Hence the explosive population growth which partly triggered instability in Syrian society. There were not enough jobs or even food to support all these Iraqis. These are ultimately the same peoples, with an unnatural border between them and unelected leaders given to them ultimately by the British and the French (with a couple of coups here and there).
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Nov 28 2024 05:31am
Several days in a row of extremely heavy airstrikes / missile / drone barrages across Ukraine and hitting a lot of the west / border areas which have been more untouched so far, and in particular lots of reports of power stations being destroyed and widespread outages.
At the same time, we've gotten a lot less reports of Russia seizing territory as swiftly, no list of villages / cities falling, back to more static lines
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Nov 28 2024 06:23am
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 28 2024 12:31pm)
Several days in a row of extremely heavy airstrikes / missile / drone barrages across Ukraine and hitting a lot of the west / border areas which have been more untouched so far, and in particular lots of reports of power stations being destroyed and widespread outages.
At the same time, we've gotten a lot less reports of Russia seizing territory as swiftly, no list of villages / cities falling, back to more static lines


Nope, Russia is breaking the line at record pace at the moment. The Kiev regime has got 1-2 months before capitulation if nothing is done. Trump wouldn't be able to do anything.

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Nov 28 2024 06:59am
Quote (nuvo @ Nov 28 2024 04:10pm)
So, russia has casus belli because NATO wanted Ukraine and Georgia to join (lets roll with this), yes?

That means NATO has casus belli to attack russia because it tried to prevent Georgia and Ukraine joining? Surely it works both ways? And you would defend NATO attacking russia because it had the right to defend its geo-politics?

Sure, Georgia, Moldovia, Ukraine or Chechnya is huge strategic importance, unlike... much bigger and richer Finland with huge land border, yes? 5 Dimensional chess I'm telling you. Surely it made sense.


Did the rest of the world react when a Western coalition invaded Iraq under false pretenses (weapons of mass destruction that were never found)? No.

Did the rest of the world engage in a massive economic war (called sanctions) when this happened? No. In both cases, the rest of the world had no business there and only protested via UN security council meetings for example.

NATO is reacting in Ukraine the way they do because NATO clearly has an agenda and you bloody well know it --> Ukrainian NATO membership and EU membership.


Quote (nuvo @ Nov 28 2024 04:10pm)
The "three day" operation comes from russian state media, which is official russian propaganda channel eg. Solovyov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6oB2XhTVz0 (6:30), as well as Lukashenka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1FbxvnsUeI . And of course the fact that calling it a war was illegal in russia, it was "Special operation" lol


I don't even have to watch that. These are NOT Russian officials, period. I asked you to come up with statements made by Russian officials that this was going to be a three day operation.

Which would be ridiculous because the preparations for the SMO (buildup of troops) took at least a month already, an operation like this cannot be completed in three days no matter the countries involved.

Better stop shit posting about a three day SMO when your post can so easily be destroyed like I just did ;)


Quote (nuvo @ Nov 28 2024 04:10pm)
would you like to live there? Simple yes/no will suffice


What does that have to do with the point I made? Nothing at all, it's just a deflection.

NK didn't collapse under massive sanctions because it's an authoritarian regime, the people cannot protest let alone vote Kim out of office so the NK regime does not collapse even if things get really bad.

It's completely obvious that most people don't want to live there unless you're part of the small minority that are doing well serving Kim and his regime but this literally has nothing to do with the fact that NK hasn't collapsed despite all those sanctions.




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Nov 28 2024 07:45am
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 28 2024 11:31am)
Several days in a row of extremely heavy airstrikes / missile / drone barrages across Ukraine and hitting a lot of the west / border areas which have been more untouched so far, and in particular lots of reports of power stations being destroyed and widespread outages...


Ye i am convinced that Russia told the US from day one that their focus was on eastern ukraine and they were not out to invade all of ukraine, ergo, western ukraine would broadly not see alot of activity. just as i am convinced that the long range missiles and repeated escalations has led to a situation where Russia is now saying, look we tried to do this with gloves on but at a certain point the gloves have to come off, so western ukraine is now fair game.

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Nov 28 2024 07:57am
Lviv is renaming a small street after Iryna Farion, a former communist propagandist turned xenophobic ultra-nationalist who was assassinated in July. The suspect in her assassination is a young neo-nazi who reportedly detested her for pitting Russian- and Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians against each other in the times of war.

One of those dark absurd stories this conflict is all about.
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Nov 28 2024 08:02am
Quote (Djunior @ Nov 28 2024 01:59pm)


Solovyov IS a russian official. Lukashenka IS russian dog controlled by Putin. If they say something then it means they were tasked to say that. Or are you going to pretend that Belarus or russian state media are somehow free to express their own opinions?

If russia intervenes in NATO affairs (like getting Ukraine and Georgia in) then NATO is allowed to strike russia? After all its just geopolitics right? Or in your opinion only russia is allowed to think like that?

Quote (Malopox @ Nov 28 2024 11:34am)
I’m glad you see my point about poverty. Your relatives moved away from Poland not because Poland was “undemocratic” but because it was poor and there were no jobs. So yeah, generally people choose what’s best for them and usually being able to feed yourself trumps living in a “democraric” state. Otherwise why would Indians move from free and democratic India to be a slave in Qatar?


But Poland was both undemocratic and poor, and both was because of russia. We had russian puppets doing russian bidding as a government. We also had russian troops stationing here. Only after fall of USRR were Poland finally free. Also part of why Poland was poor was that russia stole war reparations from us. Thats decades down the drain, while we were occupied by them until around 1989. Ask me why I dont want to live in ruski mir again xD

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Solovyov IS a russian official. Lukashenka IS russian dog controlled by Putin. If they say something then it means they were tasked to say that. Or are you going to pretend that Belarus or russian state media are somehow free to express their own opinions?

If russia intervenes in NATO affairs (like getting Ukraine and Georgia in) then NATO is allowed to strike russia? After all its just geopolitics right? Or in your opinion only russia is allowed to think like that?



But Poland was both undemocratic and poor, and both was because of russia. We had russian puppets doing russian bidding as a government. We also had russian troops stationing here. Only after fall of USRR were Poland finally free. Also part of why Poland was poor was that russia stole war reparations from us. Thats decades down the drain, while we were occupied by them until around 1989. Ask me why I dont want to live in ruski mir again xD


You're Polish? You are allowed to hate Russia and Germany, especially if you're above 40. You're also allowed to hate on Ukraine for the genocide on Poles ordered by Russians. Huge parts of western Ukraine were Poland.

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Nov 28 2024 08:31am
Send the kids please, the proxy war must continue. IMO, we should be sending the Poles that are so eager to fight and rest of the NAFO crowd. It should be simple, those that want to fight should be exchanged for the ones that don't.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden’s administration is urging Ukraine to quickly increase the size of its military by drafting more troops and revamping its mobilization laws to allow for the conscription of those as young as 18.

A senior Biden administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private consultations, said Wednesday that the outgoing Democratic administration wants Ukraine to lower the mobilization age to 18 from the current age of 25 to expand the pool of fighting-age men available to help a badly outnumbered Ukraine in its nearly three-year-old war with Russia.


https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-biden-draft-08e3bad195585b7c3d9662819cc5618f
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Quote (nuvo @ 28 Nov 2024 15:02)

But Poland was both undemocratic and poor, and both was because of russia. We had russian puppets doing russian bidding as a government. We also had russian troops stationing here. Only after fall of USRR were Poland finally free. Also part of why Poland was poor was that russia stole war reparations from us. Thats decades down the drain, while we were occupied by them until around 1989. Ask me why I dont want to live in ruski mir again xD


Again, something tells me that your relatives moved away not from “undemocratic” Soviet Poland but from “democratic” poor Poland of the 1990s. They moved not because they loved democracy but because they wanted jobs and prosperity and they moved to the “winning” countries. If Western block would’ve collapsed as a result of Cold War - we would see the opposite move, poor Brits moving to Poland as plumbers. It’s history now, there is nothing to be gained mulling over what could’ve happened - because it didn’t. We live in the current version of reality, the way it unfolded.

Hating on poor countries instead of helping them develop is a strange flex. We should also strive to prop each other up and develop as humanity.
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