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Nov 27 2024 02:26pm
Quote (babun1024 @ Nov 27 2024 10:21pm)
It's pretty easy to locate where the andronovo culture or their successors have been. You just need to look for the Y-haplotype R1a1b and R1a1a. Kurds and Iranians are mostly elamites (Ancient Mesopotamians were elamites). Iranians have about 20% R1a1a, you have a divide between western and eastern Europe. In the east, R1a1a is more dominant and in the west R1a1b. Afghans for example have got much more R1a1a than Iranians, they are geologically also closer to the origin. The ones in central Asia ro East Asia were wiped out by Mongols.
Again, the smartest people in history haven't been warriors but those dwelling in cities and building civilizations. From that POV, Aryans were nothing special.


I don´t see why zorastrians would use the word so frequently for no reason, especially if they were barely related and in a religious and social context. Why were historical figures like cyrus so frequent in their usage of the word?

as for the bold part, obviously, the intrigue is the history of it not the supposed "racial superiortiy", which is a meaningless exercise because chinese are our genetic supremes.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 27 2024 08:15pm)
Sure, but I couldn't find a source for the biggest trade partners by value-added. Overall trade volume is still a pretty good proxy for how important various trade partners are in terms of GDP.

Exclusively looking at commodities while disregarding services, technology, ideas or the processing of raw materials in modern factories and so on, would skew our perspective of trade in favor of the big energy exporters.


I guess we can agree to disagree, and that's okay. Sorry that I don't have the time or the motivation to really go into great depth here, particularly since it's kinda obvious that we would still disagree in the end. ;)


if its about trade, its quite easy for me to agree with numbers, you should know by now i can concede a point if its fact based. regardless, enjoy your evening.

you posted an image of trade, at a single point in time, that is a snapshot point in time but with no reference (i.e. graph, trade across time) it does not support the argument one way or the other.

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I don´t see why zorastrians would use the word so frequently for no reason, especially if they were barely related and in a religious and social context. Why were historical figures like cyrus so frequent in their usage of the word?

Not necessary, take for example modern Turkye (is that correct now?). They were conquered by Steppe nomads who couldn't read and write. Genetically, most of them are Greeks, Arabs, Armenians, Kurds etc. If you go around a lot there, sometimes, you might see one or two persons with East Asian eyes. They all speak Turkish, identify as Turks even though they've got hardly anything in common with those Steppe nomads (current Kirgyz or Uzbeks are more representative of what Turks were in the past). The thing which is really Turkish is probably the dumplings or some other Turkish Chinese knockoff introduced to Westasia by Steppe nomads.
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as for the bold part, obviously, the intrigue is the history of it not the supposed "racial superiortiy", which is a meaningless exercise because chinese are our genetic supremes.

Chinese aren't superior, they are numerous. Population problems are looming over there as well :D Modern feminism + capitalism has done more that 1000 wars of damage.
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Iranian peoples (persians, kurds, balochs) are most obvious descendants of Aryans, common word by Zoroastrians to describe themselves in Avesta. There is definitely some linkage to indian-peoples, considering the word has been used in old sanskrit by Aryans who migrated to the Indian subcontinent.

As for how it ties into europeans, I am not sure. There is plenty of european and persian genotype that is shared although frequency is lower .. so there should be some linkage


Cyrus' patronage of Greece & interracial mixing. The greatness of Greece came after Cyrus' patronage, where he and his Magi taught the Greeks how to live.

This directly led to the intellectual powerhouse of Greece, the revelation of Christ Himself, the formation & greatness of the Romans, and to today the Christian European nation state.

European men are great as a direct consequence of being touched by and then becoming the Aryans

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 27 2024 08:15pm)
Sure, but I couldn't find a source for the biggest trade partners by value-added. Overall trade volume is still a pretty good proxy for how important various trade partners are in terms of GDP.

Exclusively looking at commodities while disregarding services, technology, ideas or the processing of raw materials in modern factories and so on, would skew our perspective of trade in favor of the big energy exporters.


I guess we can agree to disagree, and that's okay. Sorry that I don't have the time or the motivation to really go into great depth here, particularly since it's kinda obvious that we would still disagree in the end. ;)


For the record, my argument is as follows:

Germany has been in a recession since 2022. This can be linked to Western (US) sanctions against both Russia and China. If Ireland's cash cow was Data Center's and Corporate Tax, Germany's cash cow was International Trade. Germany relied heavily on exports but it is a fact that Germany's international trade industry has taken a serious hit as a consequence of aligning itself with the US. With no other cash cow emerging, Germany's economy is not expected to improve any time soon.
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Nov 27 2024 02:53pm
Quote (ferdia @ Nov 27 2024 02:29pm)
if its about trade, its quite easy for me to agree with numbers, you should know by now i can concede a point if its fact based. regardless, enjoy your evening.

you posted an image of trade, at a single point in time, that is a snapshot point in time but with no reference (i.e. graph, trade across time) it does not support the argument one way or the other.


fastera best. refute that.
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Quote (babun1024 @ Nov 27 2024 12:21pm)
It's pretty easy to locate where the andronovo culture or their successors have been. You just need to look for the Y-haplotype R1a1b and R1a1a. Kurds and Iranians are mostly elamites (Ancient Mesopotamians were elamites). Iranians have about 20% R1a1a, you have a divide between western and eastern Europe. In the east, R1a1a is more dominant and in the west R1a1b. Afghans for example have got much more R1a1a than Iranians, they are geologically also closer to the origin. The ones in central Asia ro East Asia were wiped out by Mongols.
Again, the smartest people in history haven't been warriors but those dwelling in cities and building civilizations. From that POV, Aryans were nothing special.


The smartest and most influential people in history have been, nearly without exception, Philosopher-Warlords, with the exception of Christ (as He is Christ)

Not warriors necessarily (but often e.g. Caesar and Longshanks), but warlords, people who commanded the great warriors. Some good examples are Moses, Muhammad, Cyrus II, Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, Longshanks, Saladin, Genghis
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Quote (babun1024 @ Nov 27 2024 10:46pm)
Not necessary, take for example modern Turkye (is that correct now?). They were conquered by Steppe nomads who couldn't read and write. Genetically, most of them are Greeks, Arabs, Armenians, Kurds etc. If you go around a lot there, sometimes, you might see one or two persons with East Asian eyes. They all speak Turkish, identify as Turks even though they've got hardly anything in common with those Steppe nomads (current Kirgyz or Uzbeks are more representative of what Turks were in the past). The thing which is really Turkish is probably the dumplings or some other Turkish Chinese knockoff introduced to Westasia by Steppe nomads.


The turkish part you are most certainly correct, I wouldn´t be surprsied if genetical studies showed less connect to other turkic ethnicties than local surronding anatolian. The ottomans, seljuks inter-mixed a lot. An interesting part about the avesta is, the reference of arya is Airyanəm Vaējah which is the mythical homeland of aryans. I know that the place has never been conclusively acknowledged, but what we know is that the avesta says that the aryans left their homeland due to cold winters which would suggest central asia or eurasian steppe.

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Chinese aren't superior, they are numerous. Population problems are looming over there as well :D Modern feminism + capitalism has done more that 1000 wars of damage


I was joking, I don´t think human races differ nearly enough to where one could make a difference, all humans are almost entirely identical rocks. There is tiny bits of adaptation to environment and some very superficial differences. The total variation is close to zero in significance when looking at the macro functionality of the organism.

As annoying as leftists are, the concept of race is for all purposes social and not genetical.

Quote (El1te @ Nov 27 2024 10:48pm)
Cyrus' patronage of Greece & interracial mixing. The greatness of Greece came after Cyrus' patronage, where he and his Magi taught the Greeks how to live.

This directly led to the intellectual powerhouse of Greece, the revelation of Christ Himself, the formation & greatness of the Romans, and to today the Christian European nation state.

European men are great as a direct consequence of being touched by and then becoming the Aryans


Cyrus had a very large impact on the development and change of the jewish religion, and indirectly on christianity and islam.

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Quote (El1te @ Nov 27 2024 08:01pm)
So Russia is now getting stronger, not weaker?

What happened to them collapsing?

Come on man pull it together. Ukraine is entering the abyss and there's nothing you can do to stop it, unless you want to go fight on the front lines but you're here not there.


Do you have problems with reading?

It's not getting stronger, where did I say that? It's economy is less than desirable and getting worse, partly sanctions, partly because we are on day 1000+ of their 3-day military operation.

Facts are they are aggressive state that keeps attacking its neighbours. Give them 10-15 years to rebuild their meat and economy and they will attack someone again.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 27 2024 08:53pm)
fastera best. refute that.


off topic and not defined. :P (best at what).
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