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Apr 26 2019 01:51pm
Quote (IceMage @ Apr 26 2019 11:44am)
Yes. If we're allowing them to return to society, they should have a voice.


Quote (Skinned @ Apr 26 2019 11:48am)
What does it matter?


Because what's the distinction between murdering someone and being in prison for life v. being released with respect to voting? Wouldn't that mean we're revoking or reinstating voting rights not based off of the crime committed, but instead based off the sentencing?
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Apr 26 2019 02:00pm
Let em all vote

But until then take whatever we can get and work with Republicans on

And come up with better responses as national candidates cause they getting roped into some nonsense questions and giving nonsense answers
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Apr 26 2019 02:09pm
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Because what's the distinction between murdering someone and being in prison for life v. being released with respect to voting? Wouldn't that mean we're revoking or reinstating voting rights not based off of the crime committed, but instead based off the sentencing?


Reinstating based upon the fact that people released from prison regain the rights they left behind what they entered prison. The reason they entered doesn't seem relevant. Sex offenders are a special category but they can still vote, just not live near schools.

Most people are in prison for crimes other than ones they commit by virtue of plea bargaining being the result of 90+ % of cases.

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Apr 26 2019 02:11pm
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Reinstating based upon the fact that people released from prison regain the rights they left behind what they entered prison. The reason they entered doesn't seem relevant. Sex offenders are a special category but they can still vote, just not live near schools.

Most people are in prison for crimes other than ones they commit by virtue of plea bargaining being the result of 90+ % of cases.


This clown country should only allow felons and children to vote, we'd elect the same caliber of incompetent in any case.
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Apr 26 2019 02:12pm
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This clown country should only allow felons and children to vote, we'd elect the same caliber of incompetent in any case.


The only national initiative I would get behind is Borderline Personality Disorder Island.
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Apr 26 2019 02:15pm
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The only national initiative I would get behind is Borderline Personality Disorder Island.


Where we fuck girls on the beach and flay them in the sheets.
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Apr 26 2019 02:18pm
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 26 2019 12:09pm)
Reinstating based upon the fact that people released from prison regain the rights they left behind what they entered prison. The reason they entered doesn't seem relevant. Sex offenders are a special category but they can still vote, just not live near schools.

Most people are in prison for crimes other than ones they commit by virtue of plea bargaining being the result of 90+ % of cases.


It's not just sex offenders being a special category though.

Having a felony conviction interacts with the ability to purchase a weapon, precludes you from jobs, and in some cases can make you ineligible for grants and forms of social assistance.
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Apr 26 2019 02:21pm
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It's not just sex offenders being a special category though.

Having a felony conviction interacts with the ability to purchase a weapon, precludes you from jobs, and in some cases can make you ineligible for grants and forms of social assistance.


Yes getting voted off the island has consequences. I don't like the felon box on job applications. But you are describing functional social stratification to me IMO.
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Apr 26 2019 02:24pm
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Yes getting voted off the island has consequences. I don't like the felon box on job applications. But you are describing functional social stratification to me IMO.


Including getting voted off for unjust reasons, such as drugs and sex work. ;)
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Apr 26 2019 02:31pm
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Including getting voted off for unjust reasons, such as drugs and sex work. ;)


We could just shoot local heroin dealers.

It is definitely not a fair system. The medicaid expansion has made treatment more available but most of these times these guys are getting arrested for taking people's stuff.

Sometimes they need to go to jail a few times to realize they want to be sober. 4 or 5 times. I'm out of addiction work now, thank God. Talk about burnout.
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