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Quote (zorzin @ 26 Nov 2024 18:49)
Trump’s newly appointed counterterrorism adviser Sebastian Gorka calls Putin a “thug” and says Trump plans to end the Ukraine war by threatening to flood Ukraine with military aid, making current U.S. support look like “peanuts”
https://x.com/jeremyscahill/status/1861168282784444804?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

If the orange man is serious, the Russians will have to accept the peace plan.


Maybe we will get world War 3 under Trump.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 26 2024 11:56am)
Maybe we will get world War 3 under Trump.


I think you misunderstood something. Trump wants to end the war but not on Putin's terms, of course. Right now, Putin is about to defeat all of Ukraine which is putting the collective west in headless chicken panic mode. The last leverage in negotiations which exist is the Kursk attack. With the hypothetical 10000 North Koreans on their own soil, Russia is gonna pick Ukraine apart there. Then, Ukraine will have to accept Putin's terms. Biden administration as incompetent as ever is about to start a WW3 instead of proper support :lol:
The proper end of the war would be to offer Russia sanctions relief and threaten them at the same time with intensified support and hybrid warfare if they continue.

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I think you misunderstood something. Trump wants to end the war but not on Putin's terms, of course. Right now, Putin is about to defeat all of Ukraine which is putting the collective west in headless chicken panic mode. The last leverage in negotiations which exist is the Kursk attack. With the hypothetical 10000 North Koreans on their own soil, Russia is gonna pick Ukraine apart there. Then, Ukraine will have to accept Putin's terms. Biden administration as incompetent as ever is about to start a WW3 instead of proper support :lol:
The proper end of the war would be to offer Russia sanctions relief and threaten them at the same time with intensified support and hybrid warfare if they continue.


How dare you forget about those 3 Yemeni volunteers who are about to overrun Ukranian fortified positions using nothing else but Ansar Allah chants and rusty kalashnikovs.
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Quote (Malopox @ Nov 26 2024 12:32pm)
How dare you forget about those 3 Yemeni volunteers who are about to overrun Ukranian fortified positions using nothing else but Ansar Allah chants and rusty kalashnikovs.


I don't think Russia is planning on using any foreign agent on Ukraine's soil. There would be too many logistic problems. It's easier to use them on their own soil in Kursk and there you wouldn't find a trace of any of them. They can just say those people are from the Far East regions of Russia (Siberia, all of Stans, Chukotka etc. ).

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So Ukraines still firing away atacms into kursk and russia is le big mad now. Ukraine is clearly not afraid of Russian wonderwaffles and is willing to cross every red line set by Putin:

The Ministry of Defense has stated that it is preparing retaliatory actions in response to the Ukrainian Armed Forces' ATACMS missile strikes in the Kursk region.
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1861397742423052503
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Quote (babun1024 @ 26 Nov 2024 12:51)
I don't think Russia is planning on using any foreign agent on Ukraine's soil. There would be too many logistic problems. It's easier to use them on their own soil in Kursk and there you wouldn't find a trace of any of them. They can just say those people are from the Far East regions of Russia (Siberia, all of Stans, Chukotka etc. ).


Inb4 the Houthi fighters from Yemen join forces with their habibis from Chechnya and Dagestan to form a terror cell inside Russia. :rofl:

But yeah, there are plenty of reports about how difficult it is for the Russians to make any use of the North Korean "volunteers". Language barrier, different tactics, etc. They're mostly good for only two uses: sentry duty and meatwave attacks. For PR reasons, Putin probably doesn't want the latter, so they're probably only useful for holding down "liberated" territory behind the frontlines.




Quote (zorzin @ 26 Nov 2024 16:55)
So Ukraines still firing away atacms into kursk and russia is le big mad now. Ukraine is clearly not afraid of Russian wonderwaffles and is willing to cross every red line set by Putin:

The Ministry of Defense has stated that it is preparing retaliatory actions in response to the Ukrainian Armed Forces' ATACMS missile strikes in the Kursk region.
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1861397742423052503


I'm not really sure if that's a sign of genuine confidence, or if it's just desperate defiance. Reminds me of this classic spot in wrestling matches where one guy is about to lose, eats his opponents finisher, unexpectedly kicks out one last time, stands up and slaps his opponent in the face with a maniac laughter before being put away for good.

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NATO considers preemptive strikes amid rising tensions with Russia
Military Committee Chairman Admiral Rob Bauer stated during a conference in Brussels that NATO leadership is contemplating the possibility of conducting precise preemptive strikes on Russian territory in the event of an armed conflict between Moscow and the Alliance.

It is smarter not to sit and wait until we are attacked, but to target Russian launchers if they attack. We must deliver the first strike - said Bauer.At present, the Russians do not pose the same threat as they did in February 2022, so we have some time to prepare
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/war-and-conflicts/military-organizations/nato-considers-preemptive-strikes-amid-rising-tensions-with-russia/ar-AA1uMQuC

I think its fair to say that this conflict has definitely escalated ever since the US allowed for deep-strikes into Russian territory. Now it seems that both sides are locked in a perpetual "one-up" tit-for-tat scenario.
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NATO considers preemptive strikes amid rising tensions with Russia
Military Committee Chairman Admiral Rob Bauer stated during a conference in Brussels that NATO leadership is contemplating the possibility of conducting precise preemptive strikes on Russian territory in the event of an armed conflict between Moscow and the Alliance.

It is smarter not to sit and wait until we are attacked, but to target Russian launchers if they attack. We must deliver the first strike - said Bauer.At present, the Russians do not pose the same threat as they did in February 2022, so we have some time to prepare
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/war-and-conflicts/military-organizations/nato-considers-preemptive-strikes-amid-rising-tensions-with-russia/ar-AA1uMQuC

I think its fair to say that this conflict has definitely escalated ever since the US allowed for deep-strikes into Russian territory. Now it seems that both sides are locked in a perpetual "one-up" tit-for-tat scenario.




NATO is posturing to hide how they are pissing their pants at no answer to Oreshnik. I don't know how they are supposed to bring Russia to a negotiation table at the moment. Russia is winning and sees no reason to negotiate. That's the real problem at the moment.

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Quote (zorzin @ Nov 27 2024 11:49am)
NATO considers preemptive strikes amid rising tensions with Russia
Military Committee Chairman Admiral Rob Bauer stated during a conference in Brussels that NATO leadership is contemplating the possibility of conducting precise preemptive strikes on Russian territoryin the event of an armed conflict between Moscow and the Alliance.

It is smarter not to sit and wait until we are attacked, but to target Russian launchers if they attack. We must deliver the first strike - said Bauer.At present, the Russians do not pose the same threat as they did in February 2022, so we have some time to prepare
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/war-and-conflicts/military-organizations/nato-considers-preemptive-strikes-amid-rising-tensions-with-russia/ar-AA1uMQuC

I think its fair to say that this conflict has definitely escalated ever since the US allowed for deep-strikes into Russian territory. Now it seems that both sides are locked in a perpetual "one-up" tit-for-tat scenario.


this has to be one of the dumbest international things that i have read in my entire life.

three friends play a game. In the game, one friend steals something, becoming a thief. one friend helps the thief, becoming the accomplice. the third friend argues with the thief and the accomplice, trying to be reasonable. the thief and the accomplice call the authorities and accuse the reasonable friend of being a thief. the reasonable friend is sent to jail. 2 years later, while still in jail, the reasonable person asks the thief "why did you do that?" the thief replies "I had to preempt any action you may have taken, even though I know you never did take any action". the reasonable person asks, "after 2 years, when noting I never raised this with the authorities, do you think you would have done it differently?" the reply from the thief was : "no, its my nature".

TLDR the world is messed up and all i want for christmas is Donald Trump in Office sothat he can avert WW3.



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Quote (zorzin @ 27 Nov 2024 12:49)
NATO considers preemptive strikes amid rising tensions with Russia
Military Committee Chairman Admiral Rob Bauer stated during a conference in Brussels that NATO leadership is contemplating the possibility of conducting precise preemptive strikes on Russian territory in the event of an armed conflict between Moscow and the Alliance.

It is smarter not to sit and wait until we are attacked, but to target Russian launchers if they attack. We must deliver the first strike - said Bauer.At present, the Russians do not pose the same threat as they did in February 2022, so we have some time to prepare
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/war-and-conflicts/military-organizations/nato-considers-preemptive-strikes-amid-rising-tensions-with-russia/ar-AA1uMQuC

I think its fair to say that this conflict has definitely escalated ever since the US allowed for deep-strikes into Russian territory. Now it seems that both sides are locked in a perpetual "one-up" tit-for-tat scenario.



I get his logic, he wants to send a signal to Moscow that Russian attacks on NATO territory or targets will not be tolerated and nipped in the bud. But it's absolutely playing with fire. The whole point of nuclear deterrence is to make first strikes unappealing based on the logic that "even if you catch us off-guard with your first strike, we will still have enough firepower left to inflict devastating damage to you with our second strike". Preemptively striking their launching pads or bases can very easily make Russia believe that they have already crossed this line in the eyes of NATO and that an all-out confrontation has thus become inevitable anyway, therefore increasing the likelihood that they go for the nuclear option instead of pulling back.

You can deliberate such scenarios behind closed doors, but I don't see any good coming out of publicly announcing it. This threat marginally decreases the likelihood of a direct confrontation between Russia and NATO by making them think twice about striking NATO territory, but it drastically increases the risk of escalation if it does come to such a confrontation.
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