The reason might be more banal: Ukraine is freaking huge and there are Russian patriot nuts from Moscow and St. Petersburg who support the war 100% until they're sent to the front

Russia has been seeking an end to the conflict since before the war even started. The US and England have repeated told western leaders, and Ukraine, to not seek a negotiated settlement. no revisionist history here please thanks.

I mean. Yeah. You shouldn’t agree to anything less than the return of ALL land (including Crimea). If you do you aren’t a country you are just a bunch of worms.

Stand your ground regardless until the following deal is offered:

The return of all land taken (including Crimea)

In exchange for

No NATO membership for 50+ years


Anything less is a farse

This post was edited by MadMan87 on Nov 24 2024 01:35pm

That was the point from the very start. And this is the biggest problem now. Under normal conditions, Russia would like a settlement because they are not interested in western Ukraine at all. But they were lied to every single time, no matter what the agreement, they won't believe it. The only way for them is to conquer as much as possible before their possibilities are exhausted. Minsk I and Minsk II existed but weren't upheld, 10y long, Russia tried to negotiate with NATO. They were told, it's not up to them.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Nov 24 2024 01:45pm

Do you have a draft of something they wrote up where Russia offered Crimea back in exchange for no NATO membership? I never knew that was on the table.

Minsk I in full text:
https://www.ft.com/content/21b8f98e-b2a5-11e4-b234-00144feab7de
Minsk II:
https://horlogedelinconscient.fr/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Minsk-2-Full-text-UNIAN.pdf

Events before the war:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper

Peace deal talks:
https://www.nprillinois.org/2024-05-06/the-story-behind-2022s-secret-ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations


https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/27/7453222/
Non-Ukrainian source:
https://www.nzz.ch/english/russia-and-ukraine-would-peace-have-been-possible-two-years-ago-ld.1834935

The original behind a paywall:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html

This post was edited by babun1024 on Nov 24 2024 02:08pm

A North Korean was launched into Ukraine, blowing up 500 Storm Shadow missiles.

he asked about crimea (knowing crimea was ever an issue and russia never agreed to hand it back).

They are eating the dogs, they are eating the the cats, they are eating the pets

They are eating Swans now in USA.