Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 13 Apr 2022 15:49)

Sovereign countries do what they want. Putin can fuck himself to death.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 12 2022 03:41pm)

I am not saying Russia doesn't do propaganda *at all.* However, the intensity of theirs can't be compared to the legacy media which is in direct cahoots with the CIA and even goes so far as to co-ordinate psyops directly with the Ukrainian government.

That said, I legitimately can't think of any lies that came from the Russian government or affiliated media about how the war is going for them in Ukraine, or of any individual occurrences in Ukraine that they've made up.

When you're dealing with Nazi's, anytime they are accused of warcrimes it is not an unbelievable thing. I have seen evidence of their warcrimes going back to 2014. There is nothing that is not too depraved for them to engage in.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 13 Apr 2022 14:17)

its just main NATO members invading, bombing, regime changing and supporting violent attacks on sovereign nations

the list is endless, but somehow the bad bogeyman and 6 weeks of propaganda made all of that disappear :rofl:

cnn: russia bad, afghanistan, yemen, iraq, syria, libya et cetera never happened

npc: okay

for fucks sake this clown world

Quote (fender @ Apr 13 2022 08:08am)

that's simply not true, it's a lazy whataboutism to distract from pootin's war, his aggression, his war crimes.

take me for example, i have been - and still am - incredibly critical of and outspoken against american foreign policy in the middle east, and have repeatedly called out its proponents in the past. even you won't deny that, will you?
pointing out how russia's invasion of ukraine, their slaughtering of civilians, the raping, murdering, and destroying of the whole country is barbaric, unjustifiable, and simply wrong does NOT mean everything else is magically "forgotten" or "not bad" anymore. this is a thread about russia / ukraine - open one about american foreign politics, unjustified wars, and regime changes, and i'll be the first one to agree if you criticise it.

i'm pretty sure you know all this, and only act as if your misrepresentation of what's happening was true in order to downplay pootin's war by comparison. it's a cheap and transparent tactic, and you're a hack for attempting to bothsides this. nato is not the US. nato is a defensive military alliance. nato doesn't invade countries. russia does. ukraine wanted to join nato.

Quote (Santara @ 13 Apr 2022 21:03)

I love all these nonstop claims that Russia has a valid interest in keeping other countries out of an alliance founded on protecting countries from being attacked by Russia.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 13 2022 08:20am)

The alliance is not founded to protect countries from " Russia " . It was founded to prevent Soviet from spreading their communist ideologue.
Should have disbanded after the fall of Soviet Union and formed into a EURO Army instead without the USA being involved.
Europe should have been self sufficient to counter a " Russian " attack.

Quote (thesnipa @ 13 Apr 2022 21:23)

mccarthyism and the fear of the spread of communism was always just a PR campaign, it was to prevent Russia from expanding, and the Russia of today is more like the former Soviet Union than it is unlike it.

Quote (Goomshill @ 13 Apr 2022 11:17)

NATO is a military alliance that vows to attack Russia if Russia attacks any member state. Expanding NATO means determining we care enough about a country to be willing to defend it. And the west does not give a shit about the Ukrainian people, never has, and certainly doesn't right now no matter how much we pretend otherwise. Biden heralded this war by preemptively announcing he wouldn't intervene to stop Russia. We won't risk direct conflict for the sake of Ukraine. We would if it was Poland, but not Ukraine. That's what NATO means. Its not a magic badge you wear and get a shield, Ukraine never had a chance at gaining it. The west knew Russia would act to stop NATO expansion into Ukraine, the west wasn't willing to fight over it.

So the options the Ukrainians were given was choice A), where Russia bloodlessly regained the control over Ukraine which it held for all but 8 of the past 300 years, and most of the past 1200 years minus the mongol invasion and cossack rebellion. Or option B), where the west prods on Ukraine to become the new Syria and watch as its people are massacred by barrel bombs in a hopeless conflict with an inevitable conclusion.

now, whats the better outcome for the Ukrainians? Bending the knee to the murderous dictator, or being murdered by him?