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Nov 22 2024 10:40am
Quote (MadMan87 @ Nov 22 2024 08:36am)
I agree with most of this. Americans aren’t interested. But the majority would be if they attacked a NATO country.

Honestly. I always thought it weird that the US didn’t get along with Russia. They have a lot of things in common culturally.


We do because Russia is our kin, people quickly forget we were their allies, we are Christians, and we share high culture. The Soviet Union is now destroyed, boomers still think it exists.

Americans now are not interested in NATO as it serves no purpose other than to antagonize Russia. There is no Warsaw pact anymore.

Europeans fear that the US will not intervene if a NATO country is attacked, and they're probably right. Russia is cautious though and doesn't want to poke that bear
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Systems are judged in part by the extent to which they allow elite capture and by the resulting damage which (bad) elites effect. Enlightened despotism is by far the most effective and efficient mode of government, but enlightened despots are exceedingly rare (e.g. Lee Kuan Yew). Mediocre leaders make for mediocre states. A challenge for republican forms of government is that there's mostly a trend towards mediocre leaders, the benefit that exceedingly bad ones can rarely effect permanent damage to the institutions of state.

Capitalism in the West is the successor to feudalism, which as a system started to break down in the aftermath of the Bubonic plague. Market demand for labor vastly exceeded supply, and it became impossible for feudal lords to control the movement of labor when the rewards for abandoning the land were so high. In geological terms, it's a volcano that periodically erupts and destroys the land, but as a result of each successive eruption the island grows higher and higher.

Marx imagined that communism was the successor to capitalism, whereby the proletariat throws off the chains of capitalist ownership and seizes the means of production for themselves. In retrospect, he was wrong. Communism failed to challenge capitalism where capitalism was already entrenched, and succeeded only as a successor to feudalism where it was still largely in place (e.g. Imperial Russia, Qing China). Communism and capitalism are separate paths to the same end, industrialization, but whereas capitalism is the volcano (renewal and rebirth), communism is more like a disease which gradually saps its host of any residual vitality and strength.


I like this explanation :rolleyes: .. The examples of communism working is in the great plains and Tribes of people in Early America's Great Sioux Nation, the Lakota .. A king lives in his castle...A chief lives as his people lives...Native American tribes inhabiting the Great Plains have been present for around 13,000 years

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Nov 22 2024 11:49am
Once an open neo-Nazi, Azov Movement’s top figure Dmytro Kukharchuk is upbeat about “working meetings” at Pentagon. He says Pentagon is optimistic about Ukraine and keen to replicate the example of 3rd detached assault brigade (controlled by the political leadership of the far right Azov Movement) on a larger scale.

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Nov 22 2024 11:54am
further to the question raised "And you really think that EU countries readily jumped on this, instead of preferring to continue enriching themselves with continued Russia trade".

The US (with the EU sitting behind them) played Chess against Russia. The US is White and Russia is Black. The problem is that the US (and EU) and Russia were playing for different stakes.

The US and EU's collective strategy appeared rooted in expanding their influence through institutions like NATO and the EU, while Russia saw such moves as existential threats to its security and sphere of influence. Russia's "all-in" mentality contrasts sharply with the West's calculated but ultimately less existential commitment. For Russia, losing Ukraine to Western influence was tantamount to geopolitical encirclement, while for the West, success was a matter of strategic advantage rather than survival. Angela Merkel, as Germany’s chancellor, often played a mediating role in EU-Russia relations, balancing sanctions and dialogue. Her pragmatic approach, shaped by Germany’s energy dependence on Russia and a broader European interest in stability, likely helped delay outright confrontation. With Merkel's departure in December 2021, and Olaf Scholz still finding his footing, Europe's ability to act as a counterbalance to US policies was diminished. European leaders, including France’s Macron, attempted diplomacy in the lead-up to the invasion, but their efforts were overshadowed by the larger geopolitical chess match dominated by the US and Russia. The US, with its more global perspective, framed Ukraine’s sovereignty and NATO aspirations as central to its strategy of containing Russia. By contrast, European nations were more divided. Countries like Poland and the Baltics aligned closely with US policies, viewing Russia as an imminent threat. Others, particularly Germany and France, were more cautious due to economic and historical ties to Russia. TLDR: Europe was irrelevant in the conversation between the US and Russia

Many observers believe the US anticipated Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Instead of taking stronger preventive measures, the strategy seemed to focus on managing the fallout and leveraging the invasion to isolate Russia economically and diplomatically. The sanctions regime, while extensive, has not delivered the swift economic collapse of Russia that some Western policymakers may have expected. Instead, it has reinforced Russia's pivot toward non-Western allies like China and India, creating a more multipolar world. The US, being geographically distant and militarily dominant, could afford a high-risk strategy with limited immediate consequences for itself. Europe, however, bore the brunt of the fallout, particularly in terms of energy crises, inflation, and the direct threat to its security architecture. This disparity underscores Europe’s vulnerability and highlights the lack of a unified European geopolitical strategy capable of independently addressing such crises. So to conclude, Without Merkel’s pragmatism and with rising US dominance in shaping the Western response, Europe struggled to articulate an independent position. While the EU supported sanctions and aid to Ukraine, its role was reactive rather than proactive. The war has since become a test of endurance and geopolitical will, with profound consequences for all involved. Alot of missed opportunities for restraint and diplomacy, point to a broader failure to bridge the existential stakes perceived by Russia and the strategic aims of the West.

I have tried to be as comprehensive as possible and again I dont mind if you disagree with my answer, the point is I answered the question.

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Nov 22 2024 11:55am
Quote (MadMan87 @ 22 Nov 2024 17:36)
I agree with most of this. Americans aren’t interested. But the majority would be if they attacked a NATO country.

Honestly. I always thought it weird that the US didn’t get along with Russia. They have a lot of things in common culturally.

I do think Europe tends to leech off Americans militarily.


There were multiple skirmishes with NATO, but none of them resulted in an outright ballistic exchange during the Cold War as folks were able to resolve those incident as “misunderstandings” https://militarymatters.online/military-history/when-the-usaf-attacked-a-soviet-airbase/

The most notable near miss was the Cuban Crisis, where Soviets placed missiles in Cuba in exchange for US placing missiles on USSR doorstep in Turkey. US freaked out so much JFK was willing to pull the trigger on annihilating everyone everywhere and Krushev had to help JFK save face. This gesture was not appreciated neither by Soviets nor Americans even though we are all still alive to tell about it… Funny how that goes.

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Nov 22 2024 11:58am
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There were multiple skirmishes with NATO, but none of them resulted in an outright ballistic exchange during the Cold War as people were able to resolve those incident as “misunderstandings” https://militarymatters.online/military-history/when-the-usaf-attacked-a-soviet-airbase/

The most notable near miss was the Cuban Crisis, where Soviets placed missiles in Cuba in exchange for US placing missiles on USSR doorstep in Turkey. US freaked out so much JFK was willing to pull the trigger on annihilating everyone everywhere and Krushev had to help JFK save face. This gesture was not appreciated neither by Soviets nor Americans even though we are all still alive to tell about it… Funny how that goes.


My understanding was JFK went to bat directly with Russia to prevent WW3. So ye, I have nothing bad to say about JFK.
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Quote (ferdia @ 22 Nov 2024 18:58)
My understanding was JFK went to bat directly with Russia to prevent WW3. So ye, I have nothing bad to say about JFK.


During Caribbean Crisis they also bombed and nearly sunk a Russian B59 sub in vicinity of Cuba and that sub almost blew US up. Luckily sub captain decided not to launch their nukes.

There was also Korea war where US was officially on South Korean side and USSR officially on North Korean side. There was a story of a famous ace Yevgeny Pepelyaev who had 19 confirmed shootdowns of American jets.

Multitude of Soviet and NATO fliers were shot down crossing Warsaw pact borders.

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Nov 22 2024 01:46pm
Velyka Novosilka is likely to be taken in the upcoming weeks in south Donetsk, with the Russians pushing to cut off key supply roads. Fall of this city would mean another sizable sector around it would eventually be yielded.

https://x.com/DefensePolitics/status/1859893915178127553
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Quote (nuvo @ Nov 22 2024 11:03pm)
So who made Wagner group, and why had he named it that? Have you seen his tattoos?

yeah Ukrainian military forcefully conscripting people is unfortunate and looks really bad. If only russia stopped attacking it could end today

According to some quick google, about 10m shells from NK? Why, is russia that desperate they can't produce weapons themselves? Do you think those famously high quality north korean missiles are worth more than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War ?


Wagner is a private military group like many other private military groups in the world. Also known as contractors BTW and many such (Western) contractors are working in Ukraine right now, fighting the Russians.

The war cannot end today because the West insists that Ukraine becomes a NATO member which is unacceptable to the Russians and the West keeps arming the Ukrainian military. Your Western sources (both government and main stream media) don't even inform you that this is unacceptable to the Russians therefor the war won't end.

Artillery shells are very important in this war as large number of the casualties are caused by artillery. Tiny North Korea delivered 10 M shells to Russia which shows you that the new military alliance between Russia and North Korea actually matters and isn't a "clown alliance" like you stated in your previous post

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Trade partners - North Korea XDDD what a clown alliance



And yes these are ordinary artillery shells and yes they work. Note that the US' 100K a pop guided Excalibur shells were rendered nearly useless because of Russia's EW counter measures, something else that your Western sources didn't tell you.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gave-up-sending-ukraine-100k-excalibur-shells-hit-targets-2024-5

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The US gave up sending Ukraine Excalibur guided artillery shells costing $100,000 because they rarely hit their target, report says



It's clear that you're poorly informed. Where do you get your Ukraine war information?
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Nov 22 2024 01:59pm
The US and the UK gave long range missiles to Ukraine. This is considered an escalation. This, it was argued by the west, was not an escalation, but rather a reprisal against N Korean troops sent to Russia. Most neutral observers would note that long range missiles was Russia's red line. The west typically ignores Russian red lines, or when asked they come up with some mumbo jumbo. Anyway, in response to the long range missiles, Russia launches a new type of missile. In response to that the narrative is now becoming RUSSIA'S LATEST ESCALATION, HOW WILL THE WEST RESPOND!?!?!?

"We're hearing now from Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky, who says Russian President Vladimir Putin will keep trying to intimidate Ukraine and needs a serious response. In a video address, Zelensky adds that the West's response to Putin's use of the new hypersonic missile needs to make the Russian President feel the consequences of his actions. He adds that the "Russian missile threat" can't be ignored."

whatever.

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