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Nov 21 2024 02:31pm
Putin be throwing bolts of lightning from the sky

Zeus has turned against the Ukrainians
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Nov 21 2024 02:56pm
In its latest investigation, Der Spiegel sticks to the “rogue Ukrainian officers” semi-official story but admits that the group had “long-standing ties to the CIA”.

They’re drip-feeding the truth to the German public in order to slowly get people accustomed to the idea that the Americans were behind the worst act of industrial terrorism in Germany’s history — and that this is perfectly fine, because Germany had it coming.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/spiegel-recherchen-wie-ein-ukrainisches-geheimkommando-nord-stream-sprengte-a-7aceb6f8-060f-4d29-9ddd-582dfdaf4ac6



Trump should declassify and issue a public apology to the German people, implicating the German government/establishment in the cover-up, right before the snap elections. Hopefully, that could push the AfD to 51%, and then they could also use the cover-up of a terrorist attack as a justification to ban the traffic light parties and even the CDU
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Nov 21 2024 02:59pm
Seen this post on Twitter and think it’s pretty good

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All we know about Oreshnik is that it is a medium-range (2,500-5,500 km) hypersonic solid-fuel ballistic missile equipped with maneuverable warheads. Escalation was inevitable due to the conflicting interests of the opposing sides.

Russia wants to continue its so-called special military operation by the established rules, the imposed war of attrition leads to an inevitable victory in the form of a breaking point. Ukraine has tried to carry out several offensive operations that would force the Russian authorities to sit at the negotiating table in a more unfavourable position, from Kherson 2022 to Kursk 2024, passing through Zaporozhye 2023. The failure of these attempts forces the United States and its allies to become more and more directly involved, trying to impose a freeze on the conflict by force, without agreeing to Russian demands.

In January, we can expect a new Ukrainian attempt to launch a Kursk-like offensive with the same objective, in a new direction, which could well be Bryansk. Perhaps even a new operation in the direction of Crimea could be attempted. The new military supply packages and the fact that Western systems have just now been authorized to attack Russian territory are indicative of this.

The fear is not that the offensive operation will be successful, but rather the opposite. A Kursk-like operation in Bryansk or another direction will consume a lot of resources and further aggravate the critical situation in Ukraine on the Eastern Front, and that is when the Americans will have to decide whether to intervene directly to save the Ukrainians from catastrophe or admit a defeat that the world will perceive as humiliating. We are in a crisis scenario, where no one wants to give in, and which is getting worse.
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Nov 21 2024 03:38pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 21 2024 10:59pm)
Seen this post on Twitter and think it’s pretty good


Very good take. This is also the position of trump, force a freeze that is in no way beneficial for RU.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 21 2024 03:38pm
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Nov 21 2024 04:26pm
Quote (nuvo @ Nov 21 2024 01:52pm)
Yeah, but who cares what a tyrant wants?

Gee, i wonder why they want to decolonize russia. Maybe all the wars they wage, all the people they murder and rape? Who knows

Now answer truthfully, do you think people are happier in russia or in the west? Which part of the world would you rather live in?


Putin controls the 4th largest economy (PPP), the world's largest nuclear arsenal, and ~150 million souls. People care because it impacts them. Whether the poorest country in Europe falls under the wing of the EU or Russia does not.

I prefer to live in the greatest best country that God ever gave man. On who is happier, I don't know. I imagine most people in the old Eastern bloc are pretty miserable. Communism was the most maliciously destructive ideology in the history of the human race.
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Nov 21 2024 04:28pm
Hypersonic missles can most definitely be intercepted. The Ukrainians have claimed tons of intercepted kinzhals/zicrons/iskanders. Its the MIRV warhead that this new wonderwaffle has that is the problem, meaning that this missle has to be intercepted in its mid course ballistic phase.

I think its time for sleepy joe to escalate things further by sending ukraine the GPIs, THAADs,Aegis ashore,Typhons, destroyers with sm-6s and of course, more patriots! Can these missile defense systems bring down these missles? Raytheon would definitely like to know..

Uncle sam is 100% willing to sacrifice the entirety of Ukraine to figure out if it has the technology to intercept these bad boys. This targeting info would give it the upper hand in a MAD scenario.
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Nov 21 2024 04:39pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 21 2024 09:59pm)
Seen this post on Twitter and think it’s pretty good


That's the American perspective. From Russian POV, Ukraine + suppliers are losing hard. There is no reason to negotiate under unfavorable terms. There is also 0 trust in the west and its institutions after the Nato expansion, Minsk I and Minsk II. Any agreement with the US or its allies is not worth the paper it's written on from Russian POV which history suggests they're right.
They'll try to conquer all of Ukraine, "denazify the goverment" (replace the clown with their own puppet), create a border similar to the one between North and South Korea, retreat behind it and just keep the Russian speaking oblasts in the east. The Westukrainian part is going to be autonom.
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Nov 21 2024 05:22pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 21 2024 02:26pm)
Putin controls the 4th largest economy (PPP), the world's largest nuclear arsenal, and ~150 million souls. People care because it impacts them. Whether the poorest country in Europe falls under the wing of the EU or Russia does not.

I prefer to live in the greatest best country that God ever gave man. On who is happier, I don't know. I imagine most people in the old Eastern bloc are pretty miserable. Communism was the most maliciously destructive ideology in the history of the human race.


The communist ideology is not that bad it usually just the leaders that make it bad.. Pretty sure capitalism ideology is based on slavery compared to communism.. Capitalism never has the working class as top priority But the 1% corporations,, could work well but for the leaders also .. Socialism is somewhere in-between the 2 or could be..
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Nov 21 2024 05:35pm
When it comes to the point about who is firing the missiles-

Putin is directly calling out NATO for having NATO personnel launching NATO weapons, publicly declaring that US/UK operatives are the ones launching missiles killing Russians in Russia. Its long been understood as an open secret that US agents are in Ukraine, either as active duty special forces or contractors or somehow deniable as 'military advisors', which is the most we've acknowledged. The leaked documents last year showed what was it, 200-300 in the country? We don't deny it, but we don't acknowledge that Americans are the ones pulling the trigger when we shoot at Russia. By far the most rational explanation is that US operatives have direct control of the advanced long range missiles stationed deeper into Ukraine like Dnipro, Kyiv, etc- perhaps also their AA- but aren't on the front lines (besides mercenaries outside of government control).

This also begs whether its supposed to be a better argument for NATO forces having direct control over the long range missiles, or whether we pretend that we've handed such weapons to an unstable and desperate regime that could use them 'in ways we don't approve' and provoke a wider war, or that if Ukraine falls these weapons would wind up on the black market. Does anyone really pretend the latter is a better case? But the argument is also moot. The fact is Russia is acting as if NATO fingers are pressing the red button. Putin understands NATO to be directly attacking him- the first such attack by a nuclear power on another nuclear power since WW2- and Putin is almost certainly right. America could deny it, random twitter/reddit/etc users could pretend otherwise, but it doesn't change the geopolitical calculus.

We've got less than two months until Trump is sworn in and we're racing right up to the cliff. Even if the odds of an actual WW3 or nuclear exchange are minimal, any chance of armageddon is intolerable. How would you quantify it, 1% or less chance? Of getting billions killed? If I had a 100 chamber revolver I wouldn't play Russian roulette with it and that's one life. But how about the odds that the escalations continue until at least Russia conducts another public nuclear test to make a point. That's way higher than a 1% chance.
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Nov 21 2024 05:50pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 22 2024 12:35am)
When it comes to the point about who is firing the missiles-

Putin is directly calling out NATO for having NATO personnel launching NATO weapons, publicly declaring that US/UK operatives are the ones launching missiles killing Russians in Russia. Its long been understood as an open secret that US agents are in Ukraine, either as active duty special forces or contractors or somehow deniable as 'military advisors', which is the most we've acknowledged. The leaked documents last year showed what was it, 200-300 in the country? We don't deny it, but we don't acknowledge that Americans are the ones pulling the trigger when we shoot at Russia. By far the most rational explanation is that US operatives have direct control of the advanced long range missiles stationed deeper into Ukraine like Dnipro, Kyiv, etc- perhaps also their AA- but aren't on the front lines (besides mercenaries outside of government control).

This also begs whether its supposed to be a better argument for NATO forces having direct control over the long range missiles, or whether we pretend that we've handed such weapons to an unstable and desperate regime that could use them 'in ways we don't approve' and provoke a wider war, or that if Ukraine falls these weapons would wind up on the black market. Does anyone really pretend the latter is a better case? But the argument is also moot. The fact is Russia is acting as if NATO fingers are pressing the red button. Putin understands NATO to be directly attacking him- the first such attack by a nuclear power on another nuclear power since WW2- and Putin is almost certainly right. America could deny it, random twitter/reddit/etc users could pretend otherwise, but it doesn't change the geopolitical calculus.

We've got less than two months until Trump is sworn in and we're racing right up to the cliff. Even if the odds of an actual WW3 or nuclear exchange are minimal, any chance of armageddon is intolerable. How would you quantify it, 1% or less chance? Of getting billions killed? If I had a 100 chamber revolver I wouldn't play Russian roulette with it and that's one life. But how about the odds that the escalations continue until at least Russia conducts another public nuclear test to make a point. That's way higher than a 1% chance.


I think Russia will have to do what the US did with Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No other language is understood by neocons.
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