Yanukovych as president was favored by the majority of voters
I don't see how anyone can be hung up on something so basic
Let me explain this slowly
In a democracy, we poll how the public view issues and boil it down to an election
In which they are directly polled
And able to vote for the candidate who represents their choice for the country
And the majority of Ukrainians supported Yanukovych
And the minority of Ukrainians rioted, overthrew Yanukovych in a coup d'etat led by a vanguard of literal nazis and seized control of government at gunpoint, disenfranchised the majority and laid siege to them in a decade long civil war

IRI (NED) Poll in Ukraine 2012 that references.





This post was edited by Malopox on Nov 20 2024 07:28am

Ok, so let me explain this to you slowly.

In the US, people vote for president over a set of promises he makes.

They voted in Trump because he promised to deal with illegal immigrants. Let's say that in various polls up to 80% of Americans agree that this is a big problem and has to be dealt with.

Now what happens when Trump in 3 years from now announces "100% open border policy, everyone is invited?"

Perhaps some peaceful protests are going to be staged.

Now what happens when Trump sends his secret service to kill a few protestants?

Are majority of Ukranians who wanted a customs union with Russia allowed to overthrow Zelenskyy govt and join Russia? Asking for a friend because I’m really confused with modern morality standards.

No, they should have waited for the next elections, as I've said in three previous replies already

Thanks for sharing, and no, I wasn't aware of this poll I guess this shows to which length various polls are cherry-picked to tell a story. And I'm not accusing yours of any specific cherry picking. However, the question of joining "only one union" is quite strong and can definitely impact the result. The result would very likely look differently if they asked a more gentle question like "do you think Ukraine should join EU (and keep other options open)". The issue of selecting the right question is well studied.

For full transparency, I got my numbers from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_relations



Here you can see how Deutsche Welle is blatantly selecting a very specific demographic for their poll :) However, the first few numbers are from other polls.

This post was edited by Ashirgo on Nov 20 2024 07:58am

Zelensky was elected in 2019 (without east/crimea voting at all) but nevertheless he was elected on a platform of peace with Russia and implementing Minsk agreements. Instead he did a complete 180 and refused to implement Minsk / his election promises and his rhetoric completely changed. There are no more elections in Ukraine since Zelensky usurped the power.

Are Ukranians allowed to overthrow him?

So they should have waited for the next election in 2014 instead of staging a coup ya ?
You stage a coup I am going to send in some dudes to F you up.

It's called FAFO. I don't see why is it so hard to understand.

So when the sitting government in Ukraine in 2014 lost to the USA backed coup and a civil war started.
Yanukovych miscalculated so he FAFO because he didn't act like a good boi !

After years of negotiation between the Ukro West (West lovers) and Ukro East (Russia Lovers) amid a tense civil war and NATO insistence in bringing in Ukraine.
2022 War finally broke out.

Azov, Young Ukranians (West Side) who love the West and NATO plus Zelensky and friends are dying in troves FAFO.
Russians also FAFO because their their troops and dying in troves.

Zelensky and the Democrat government decides to double and triple down and use Ukro boys as cannon folder in a war of attrition to weaken the Russians.
Ukro boys dying in troves FAFO.

Biden Government laughing all the way to the bank and laughing at Ukrainians dying for them for freedom and Democracy.
North Stream was blown up.

Germany / EU and those poor Ukro boys FAFO

Biden government is still laughing all the way to their banks but USA middle class suffering , debt goes up etc etc so USA Mini FAFO
Biden Government pushed Russia to join at the hip with China. USA Big FAFO.

Trump gets elected . Whats going to happen next ? Who knows ?
Maybe Ukraine / Zelensky Big Time FAFO lose huge swats of land, gets landlocked and become a rump state......or maybe not ?

"Article 19 of Ukraine's "On the Legal Regime of Martial Law" bans presidential, parliamentary, and local elections under martial law."

Apparently also,

"A poll released by KIIS in October 2023 reported that 81% of Ukrainians did not want elections until the war was over."

So, they seem to be fine with this?

You’re conflating people that wanted closer ties to EU for economic reasons with the people that actually committed the coup. No, 50-74% is not Pravi sector/Azov types. What happened during maidan is a vocal and dangerous minority with outside support threw out the government.

No doubt ukraine was trending towards closer EU relationship, that doesn’t somehow justify the violent coup after an election. I’ve lost count how many times this argument keeps getting used as justifying the coup which has western fingerprints all over it, shown by the Nuland call, CIA director going there, and so on. it’s Cold War banana republic tactics that have been used all over South America.