Quote (Ironfister @ Nov 17 2024 01:55pm)

yeah I guess I wont convince you, to me you are just a cowardish Irish guy who knows that Putin will have to go through Ukraine, Baltics, Poland, Finland, Germany, France before eventually reaching your island, so you simply dont give a shit about what happens east of lets say Paris/London. You will start worrying once Russians get to France borders, am I right?



You are the rich Asian guy, who IMO doesnt like USA/Europe because you Chinese guys would like China/Asia to be world leader and USA/Europe collapse or decrease.
Face the truth rich guy: Russia, taliban al-qaeda areas, north korea, Somalia are all shit countries to live for average people there, where the regime wants people to attack other countries.
You cant really compare them to USA/Europe civlised countries and say "oh yeah they are the same with the same people, no difference".
People in the west dont give a shit about military conquests. We want to live peacefully: watch movies, play games, party, go to gim, go holidays, raise kids, play sports, buy luxuries like fast cars. These are priorities of western people. Totally 100% innocent. Saying that NATO people are the risk to Russia is a total bullshit and you very well know it. This is just a made up pathetic russian excuse to attack peaceful Europeans.
I dont know anyone who wants war in Europe. We are not the same as Russians/N. Koreans/Somalia/Talibans.

Quote (El1te @ Nov 17 2024 10:01pm)

Europeans are not serious people.

They claim to fear military conquest by Russia. Okay, fair.

So what do you do? You consistently elect histrionic lesbians to positions of power along with their henpecked soy gay bugmen. You don't workout, since working out and lifting weights is fascist stuff. You continue to engage in and glorify dysgenic behaviour. You continue to be against citizen gun rights (which is the greatest deterrent to military invasion).

So what DO you want? You want America to keep subsidizing your pathetic weakness and frailty.

That's not going to happen anymore. Now what? You support UK and Germany declaring war on Russia on their own? Okay, will you be happy to be drafted? Will you have the will to fight the enraged and highly motivated Russian host?

Quote (El1te @ 18 Nov 2024 06:01)

Europeans are not serious people.

They claim to fear military conquest by Russia. Okay, fair.

So what do you do? You consistently elect histrionic lesbians to positions of power along with their henpecked soy gay bugmen. You don't workout, since working out and lifting weights is fascist stuff. You continue to engage in and glorify dysgenic behaviour. You continue to be against citizen gun rights (which is the greatest deterrent to military invasion).

So what DO you want? You want America to keep subsidizing your pathetic weakness and frailty.

That's not going to happen anymore. Now what? You support UK and Germany declaring war on Russia on their own? Okay, will you be happy to be drafted? Will you have the will to fight the enraged and highly motivated Russian host?

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 17 2024 02:03pm)

to be fair that does not really apply to Poland.

Quote (El1te @ 18 Nov 2024 06:11)

That's fair, but Poland isn't exactly innocent here nor have they been lobbying Germany, UK & friends hard to cease their folly to my knowledge.

/e nor has Poland committed troops or declared war against Russia. Not serious people either.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 17 2024 02:08pm)

I think he is too indoctrinated and lack the knowledge on proper European History and what nots to have a discussion with really.

He is basing too much on emotions and ethnic tensions and conflict (Russia for this manner) to be able to put himself in a position for any discussions and debate. It has been like that for 2 years.

Look I can fully understand his position which at times is extremely well founded. If some Allahu Ackbars are going to blow up my immediate family I will act like that too.
But the revisionist of historical facts, declassified documents, the denial of government officials economist and people who actually worked within the apparatus just to satisfy his worldview is Nazi / communist Era indoctrination at it's best.

His brainwashing have come to a point that everyone who doesn't agree with his worldview wants West and EU to die. That is absolutely remarkable.

Quote (Malopox @ 17 Nov 2024 21:05)

Yanukovich had the power to make this decision mandated by the majority of the country that gave him the rights to do so. Thats how democracies work. People gave Trump the mandate to rule US now within the confinements of American system and oh boy he will have fun. Trying to murder Trump or overthrow US govt (Jan 7th?) is a criminal offense and will be prosecuted harshly. Disgruntled minority supported by foreign powers took matters into their own hands in Ukraine and here we are, a decade later. Imagine Medvedev casually giving a speech at Jan7th Capitol Riots the way McCain did. You would never hear the end of it.

Parliament had no constitutional right to remove Yanukovich without impeachment procedure, but they broke the law under duress and did it anyway.

Quote (Malopox @ 17 Nov 2024 21:05)

Russians are patriotic and like their country, it’s not news and it’s not bad. Many other nations are liek that as well. Israelis like Israel. Americans like the US of A. Chinese like China. Singaporeans like Singapore. Look at yourself for instance, proud Polish defending Poland. Fun fact - only two countries ever successfully invaded and occupied Russia - Mongols and PolishLithuanian Commonwealth. Guess why Poland and Lithuania might be scared now?

Russia is a big and complicated country that is notoriously difficult to govern and it attempts to squash nationalism like they did it in 1945. Russians take great pride of beating invaders and nazis in particular as Nazis wanted to exterminate all Russians entirely to make space for their lebensraum doctrine. Ukraine conflict is literally a repetition of 1941 in the eyes of an aversie Russian as it sees swastika wearing military driving Leopard tanks into Kursk supported by USMC marines like late Corey Nawrocki.

Quote (El1te @ 18 Nov 2024 06:26)

Europeans and blindly walking forwards of their own volition towards oblivion

I agree that it's just not possible to have a discussion with someone who is so thoroughly brainwashed. Only being slapped by reality can wake these people up. They have vomited and uttered such racist & vile hatred towards Russian people their entirely lives but still can't look themselves in the mirror and ask themselves the question "did my own actions lead us here?"

I also believe a LOT of it is a latent guilty conscience - they fear Russia coming to invade & conquer them all because deep down they believe they would be justified, given their decades of vile hatred & unfair treatment towards them.

Quote (Ironfister @ Nov 17 2024 02:33pm)

Believe me or not, if Trump will do truly terrible things, behave like a traitor, people in USA will find a way to overthrow him. You just need to convince enough masses to go to the streets. No government can survive mass rebels.
In Ukraine even the eastern people, close to Russia, didnt like Russia influence. So it was a nationwide movement to get rid of Janukowich. Elections after Euromaidan were clear: no more Janukovycz party was accepted! Janukovycz party get only like 9% votes in next election!



Poland might be scared because Russia was attacking and occupying us multiple times. And its true that once polish people made it to Moscow, hovewer it was very very long ago, before the age of modern nationalism, when the Russian people lost their dynasty and there were many candidates to be king.

I'm fine with patriotism, hovewer for Russia there is imperialistic desire to be strong and conquer weaker countries. So its a different thing that polish/singaporeans/german etc.