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#4561
Apr 13 2022 05:44am
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 13 2022 12:40pm)
As we saw in this conflict, Russia can't just teleport all its troops into a country to invade it. There are obvious signs of staging an invasion force. I think any attempt by Russia to stage an invasion of Sweden or Finland prior to their expected NATO entry would just result in an immediate, emergency acceptance into NATO and the west vowing to treat any attack on them the same as NATO before any formalities were signed. They've already been explicit EU members and implicit NATO allies for a long time now. Same thing for any scenario with cross border raids. Sweden and Finland are rich westernized European countries who have been entirely within the western sphere of influence since the end of WW2. Ukraine was a poor shithole nobody cared about and was firmly within the Russian sphere of influence until Euromaidan. I don't think they can be compared


yes to all that.
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Apr 13 2022 05:51am
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yes to all that.


I just watched an update on Taiwan News.

How low can the Biden government get :lol:
They couldn't get the Indian government to stand on USA side on the Russia Ukraine situation
They warn India and threaten India a couple of times.
And now they are using a very familiar attack on India like they did with China.

Blinken just announced to the World about India's Human Rights issue.
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Apr 13 2022 05:54am
Quote (Goomshill @ 13 Apr 2022 13:34)
Do you really need it explained why Russia would feel threatened by the expansion of a hostile military alliance that encroaches on their borders and can position first-strike nuclear weapons across the border from their major cities, while that alliance engages in open economic warfare on them, vowing to destroy their markets and decapitate their government? Granted, pretty ineffective economic warfare, the dollar is hurting more than the ruble, but still. Russia has spent the past 30 years fighting proxy wars against NATO, lets not pretend Russia's self-interest would be to idly twiddle their thumbs while their enemies encircle them. The past few weeks have shown Putin isn't a complete mastermind, but he's not a moron either


Its not a secret that usa along with most of the civilized word treats russia as a dangerous entity. I would go as far as calling russia a terrorist organization as i did earlier. The sanctions are not something thats economically benefical to any of the eu countries and not something they normally would want, but they are doing it anyway, thats literally the point.

They key thing is that nato is not really hostile until you attack it. Thats not something you call hostile. But for somereason you did, in your post? Russia has nato countries on their border alrdy. It
literally takes 30 seconds on google map to determine that ukraines nato joining wouldnt bring moscow closer to nato border.
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Apr 13 2022 05:56am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 13 2022 07:51am)
I just watched an update on Taiwan News.

How low can the Biden government get :lol:
They couldn't get the Indian government to stand on USA side on the Russia Ukraine situation
They warn India and threaten India a couple of times.
And now they are using a very familiar attack on India like they did with China.

Blinken just announced to the World about India's Human Rights issue.


India is an attack on the senses.

Large nations like India are hesitant to get involved for good reasons. However it is going to be harder and harder to stay neutral when one side is committing war crime after war crime. Eventually Russia will lose the support of the other BRICs and be told to knock it off.

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Apr 13 2022 05:57am
Quote (ferdia @ 13 Apr 2022 13:37)
I do not bash on America but broadly the Ukraine crisis was caused by America, as was Iraq, and therefore my own view is it was a valid point re: Saddam; Putin.


ferdia: ultimately nato will not attack russia
norlander: iraq thought the same
ferdia: valid point
fender: but nato did not attack iraq, also, iraq doesn't have nukes
ferdia: i'm talking about america, so it's valid

what?! you were the one who he replied to, and you specifically said nato. his reply suggested he thinks nato attacked iraq - which is wrong. so how can that be a valid point? you can't just pretend the previous context doesn't exist, especially if you're a crucial part of it. that makes no sense whatsoever...

Quote (ferdia @ 13 Apr 2022 13:37)
When arguing that Nato will not attack your omitting the scenario where they do so to defend Finland. the way you are framing your responses your giving black and white with no caveats which is probably why Goomshill is disagreeing with you.


you two can try to reframe nato DEFENDING one of its members against russia as "attack" all you want, but that doesn't change the facts. nato will NOT attack russia, and pootin knows that. nato is a defensive military alliance, it does not attack sovereign nations. russia does. repeatedly. sorry if you can't agree to obvious historical facts. that's not being "black and white" on the issue, it's being right or wrong.
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#4566
Apr 13 2022 05:57am
people can spin it however they want, NATO still is and always has been an anti soviet union/russia coalition, they are the bogeyman and reason why it exists

russian geopolitics couldnt accept ukraine as a NATO member just like the states almost triggered WW3 over missiles on cuba

as a regular person you are getting played the moment you take a side

the reality is: both NATO and the eastern block dont give a shit about you, your wellbeing and/or safety, they will trigger the next proxy war or conflict to make 10 bucks and step over your dead corpse without even looking

russia is an aggressor, NATO (or some of its members to be precise) is an aggressor, none of them are on your side
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Apr 13 2022 06:00am
Quote (Skinned @ 13 Apr 2022 19:56)
India is an attack on the senses.

Large nations like India are hesitant to get involved for good reasons. However it is going to be harder and harder to stay neutral when one side is committing war crime after war crime. Eventually Russia will lose the support of the other BRICs and be told to knock it off.


I don't think so but I can understand where you are coming from.
Taiwnese media is always paranoid about China and is USA ally.

There is intelligence report from the Taiwan side which their news reported today which sparked their concern.
Brics is going to allow each other to use each currency to trade and deal with oil and gas and move away from USD.

In regards to "war Crime " . I am sorry skinned , no one really give two hoots about it. What a country is interested is the protection and the survival of their own people.
And if War crime is an issue where you start losing support.

USA would have lost support a long time back. Nothing to do with War Crimes mate. The Victor writes the history and narrative.
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Apr 13 2022 06:07am
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Ukraine was a poor shithole nobody cared about

That insults 1/4 part of me.
Lets make an analogy. Cowboys -> cossacks; native Americans -> Carpatho-Rusins, Russians, Slovenians, Hungarians, Poles; Americans -> Ukrainians, Irish -> Chechens; UK -> Russia.

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#4569
Apr 13 2022 06:10am
ampootin uses false equivalence. it's not very effective...
ampootin uses bothsidesism. it's not very effective...

russia repeatedly invades countries. nato doesn't.

regarding the lazy whataboutisms concerning the US: imagine lebron james killed a woman in a car accident - do we just claim that the lakers did it? of course not, that'd be stupid. he might be a part of that team, an incredibly important one even, but no one in their right mind would just pretend like lebron and the lakers are the same. the US invading countries, murdering civilians, being their imperialistic shitty selves is one thing, but that does NOT mean that nato does those things. ukraine wanted to become a nato member, not a US state...
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#4570
Apr 13 2022 06:17am
its just main NATO members invading, bombing, regime changing and supporting violent attacks on sovereign nations

the list is endless, but somehow the bad bogeyman and 6 weeks of propaganda made all of that disappear :rofl:

cnn: russia bad, afghanistan, yemen, iraq, syria, libya et cetera never happened

npc: okay

for fucks sake this clown world
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